CB Bucknor EJ .....

[Thunderheads]

CB Bucknor ejects the pitcher after arguing a safe call at second base 3 outs PRIOR ..........

 

Looks like CB may have missed this ............thoughts?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=26077163&topic_id=&c_id=mlb&tcid=vpp_copy_26077163&v=3

[BigUmpire]

CB was out of position to make the call.

[Thunderheads]

CB was out of position to make the call.

Please explain?  Do you do 4 man?  I don't, so I'm just asking an honest question,...how do you know?

[BigUmpire]

Angles are everything.

Look where he was in relationship to the throw coming in.

Was he inside the diamond?

[Thunderheads]

Angles are everything.

Look where he was in relationship to the throw coming in.

Was he inside the diamond?

Looks to me like he had a good look at it.

 

I don't do 4 man, I'm not 100% sure on mechanics.  It sounds like you are, so that's why I asked....

[BigUmpire]

He was blocked from view when the runners shoe hit the glove.

CB was right behind th fielder. He was late getting there.

I was taught " when the ball gets outside, you get inside"

Had CB been inside he may have had a better angle.

[bam]

He was definitely straightlined, but sicnce I don't know 4-man mechanics I have no idea where he should have been

[Haid D' Salaami]

He was blocked from view when the runners shoe hit the glove.

CB was right behind th fielder. He was late getting there.

I was taught " when the ball gets outside, you get inside"

Had CB been inside he may have had a better angle.

Nope, not anymore in 4 man... you can stay outside and make this call.. the key is to put the fielder and the runner between you so you can see a tag.. you would work this play just like a play at the plate, stay on the 2nd baseman glove hand.. he could have been on the left field side of 2nd or even toward the centerfield side.

[Thunderheads]

He was blocked from view when the runners shoe hit the glove.

CB was right behind th fielder. He was late getting there.

I was taught " when the ball gets outside, you get inside"

Had CB been inside he may have had a better angle.

Nope, not anymore in 4 man... you can stay outside and make this call.. the key is to put the fielder and the runner between you so you can see a tag.. you would work this play just like a play at the plate, stay on the 2nd baseman glove hand.. he could have been on the left field side of 2nd or even toward the centerfield side.

that's what I was looking for ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

 

thank you sir

[Trakes2]

_{The best part about this....}

 

_{The first thing the announcer says is..."The Ball was there way before him." The things that come out of these announcers mouths never fail to amaze me}                

_{They get paid very good money to give out opinions, yet they can't get basic things right...You know what, if it was a force out that would have been wonderful that the ball got there so early...Good Lord!!!!}

[Umpire in Chief]

Nope, not anymore in 4 man... you can stay outside and make this call.. the key is to put the fielder and the runner between you so you can see a tag.. you would work this play just like a play at the plate, stay on the 2nd baseman glove hand.. he could have been on the left field side of 2nd or even toward the centerfield side.

Once I saw the replay and that the call was missed. I was thinking with my vast 4 man experience. It would have looked better from for lack of a better term 1blx with the runner coming right at him.

Of course we can play Monday morning QB all day long. Bucknor was in an acceptable position but I think the early slide and the fielder having to go back for the tag, he ended up being straight-lined. I believe looking at it had the runner slid later and the fielder just kept his glove at the bag this would have been a pretty easy call.

Now, being that all of that did happen, maybe a better read step/lean could have helped.

[BigUmpire]

CB did not get ahead of the play.

He was late.

 

He typically gets some of the lowest marks every year.

 

Great to perfect isn't it.

[Rich Ives]

_{The first thing the announcer says is..."The Ball was there way before him." The things that come out of these announcers mouths never fail to amaze me}

 

For decades - before multi-angle slo-mo instant replays - the throw beating the runner to the base meant the runner was out. It was the expected/traditional call. Therefore not an unexpected analysis by the announcer.

[BigUmpire]

He was blocked from view when the runners shoe hit the glove.

CB was right behind th fielder. He was late getting there.

I was taught " when the ball gets outside, you get inside"

Had CB been inside he may have had a better angle.

Nope, not anymore in 4 man... you can stay outside and make this call.. the key is to put the fielder and the runner between you so you can see a tag.. you would work this play just like a play at the plate, stay on the 2nd baseman glove hand.. he could have been on the left field side of 2nd or even toward the centerfield side.

Wow.

I have been gone for 13 years. Guess I need to go to some clinics. Thanks.

[mstaylor]

The announcers say he was out by a mile. On slo-mo replay is was out by an inch. If you stop motion it it is so close there is no way to see that from any angle. He caught the ball early and tagged him on the knee, why is that Bucknor's fault. As in most times they vilify an umpire it is because the players screwed up something simple. 

[Thunderheads]

he actually gets him twice .....once via the cleat/shoe before he gets the knee .....

[24sdad]

Actually, I think Bucknor was in a great position to see the tag but then takes a big ole step to his right (coupled with fielder moving toward runner for tag) effectively putting the fielder between him and the tag of the runner's foot.  He may have seen the second tag but I think B/R could have already been touching 2nd.

 

Gonna have to side with Rich (did I just say that?) re the announcers.  I didn't hear anything overly idiotic.  The ball did beat the runner by a good margin, he was "out by a mile" and all F4 had to do was wait for the runner to slide into his glove.  f4 went toward the runner and assisted in straight-lining Bucknor.

[mstaylor]

I missed the foot, I thought he hit the ground beside it, then up higher. 

[dumbdumb]

CB did not get ahead of the play.

He was late.

 

He typically gets some of the lowest marks every year.

 

Great to perfect isn't it.

But an umpire that seems to get high marks and worked the WS last year just missed one under "double play after conference" in Detroit on Saturday in which he could only have been out of position to miss that one.

[IABlue]

The umpire was in fine position and looked like he had a decent look at the play.  When I first watched this at live speed it sure looked like a safe to me as the fielder did a super $h1tty job of applying a clean tag, especially considering that the ball beat the runner there by a month and a half.  You also have the factor that the baserunner made an extremely stupid decision to try an advance an extra base here.  I generally tend to side with the defense in such a situation on any kind of close play.

[HeadHunterLA]

He definitely kicked it and whether inside or outside he was late and his mechanics were horrible, he never got set and why in the hell would you move into a position that allowed the 2B to block your view of the tag??  Man this guy blows. 

[maven]

Hey HHLA, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

[HeadHunterLA]

Hey HHLA, why don't you tell us how you really feel?

 

HA!  But seriously, can you imagine being lucky enough to work at the highest level of the profession and this is the product you put on the field?? SMH

[dumbdumb]

No different a product than what I see at the highest levels to the lowest levels of professional umpires, whatever the speed of play is.

Seen it happen to those proclaimed to be the best of the best and those proclaimed to be the worst of the worst.

[Fittske24]

He definitely kicked it and whether inside or outside he was late and his mechanics were horrible, he never got set and why in the hell would you move into a position that allowed the 2B to block your view of the tag??  Man this guy blows. 

 

He was in excellent position.... The look from the inside would have been the same. In 4-man "busting in" would cause you to cross the path of the runner or the flight of the throw coming from the out field.