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    Was Ejection Justified?

    Behind the plate for a 14u game. Pitcher starts to pitch, batter steps out, pitcher doesn't throw. Base ump calls a balk, I overturn because of weak interference by the batter. Coach starts to yell that was a balk 6 or 7 times. I issue a warning. After the inning, he asks for an explanation. I explain weak interference, he starts laughing at me and repeats 3 or 4 times you need to know the rules to be a real ump so I tossed him. The coaches complained to the governing league I ejected him too quick. Just looking to see what more experienced umps(i'm 18th, my 4th season) would have done. Thanks.
  2. Felt like I had to make an account to ask about this situation. Have you ever been asked "Did he go?" while you were standing behind the pitcher? Happened to me. 0-2 count. Batter appeared to obviously offer at a close pitch, his hands looked well in front of the plate and bat also looked like it had went around with his wrists breaking enough that I could say I'm 100 percent sure it was a swing. I'm sure everyone watching the game knew it was a swing, including everyone in the stands and definitely the 3rd base coach who was ejected for arguing after what happened. It looked like one of those calls that are pretty easy to make from where I was standing. Anyways, I'm waiting on the PU to make the call and he hesitates then points at me and asks if he went. I was so shocked that he was asking me for help on this one that I made a mistake here. I should have just made the call but I looked back at him and just said "It's your call." Now I guess everyone thinks that neither one of us know even though it looked like a pretty obvious call. Now the dugouts are starting to chirp a bit so I call time and we talk for a minute. I tell him what I saw and that it was definitely a swing. I wouldn't call it a swing if it was close but this one wasn't close. We call the kid out. One of the coaches comes to argue, even though I'm sure he had to know we got the call right he wasn't happy with how we made it. He keeps arguing and is warned not to continue and he goes to the dugout. He stops for maybe 10 seconds but is tossed for something he says when he gets to the dugout. Game went okay after that. Then the PU punched out the next batter on the first pitch because I guess he forgot the count wasn't 0-2 anymore. So that didn't help us look any better. Overall the game went okay after that. We handled the coach okay. Ejection went probably as well as it could have. After the game the PU wanted to switch crews so I worked with a different guy. Then he texted me after the game "Thanks for screwing me today ***hole I pray I never work with you again. This is high school varsity ball not the little bull**** you usually do." Which I thought was a little ridiculous, but oh well. I can't help but feel bad for being caught off guard on that play.
  3. 12u fastpitch playoff game. I'm BU. Top of first, runners on 1st and 2nd, 2 outs, 2 strikes. Shortstop says to catcher "if she goes get her at third". 3rd base coach (also HC) says to F6 "yeah you just go ahead and try to throw her out" before pitch is thrown in a taunting tone. I'm in C and here it clearly. Strike 3 inning over. As he's starts walking back to 1st base dugout I tell coach, in a quiet but direct tone, not to speak to the other team's players. He starts to respond and I say "coach, that's enough, we're not discussing this". Bottom of 3, PU calls time and walks out to P for a 10 second conversation. I'm in A and can't make out what's being said. HTHC comes out of dugout as PU is walking back to plate asking what that was about. He was instructing pitcher to not lick fingers and then grab the ball for a pitch. HTHC as he's walking back yells for the entire neighborhood to hear "oh we're playing by those rules today!". PU issues a warning telling him to knock it off and "this is your warning". Start of bottom of 4, I'm in shallow right and HT is slowly taking the field as HTHC gives them individual fielding positions. One of the girls is bawling profusely, tears streaming down her face. About what, I don't know... PU tells HTHC she can't take the field in that condition for her own safety. He gets in PU face yelling "you can't tell me who I can play and can't". PU tosses HC. PU says "you have 5 minutes to leave the field". Ugh, I know. HTHC says "if I have 5 minutes I'm going to make them count". I play rodeo clown telling him he has to leave and explain to AC he is now the HC. HTHC leaves, but then in the 5th inning comes back and is back in sight. Technically he is off the property, but the fields are in a basin and he's basically on the street curb. Equivalent to the upper deck area above his team's dugout. I didn't notice at first, but I'm in C and VTHC (3BC at the time) points out that he's back and asks for a forfeit. I said no, we're not calling a forfeit, pause the game, tell new HTHC that he needs to be out of sight and sound. He argues that he is off the property line. Again coach, he needs to be gone now. He calls him and finally makes his way to parking lot. HT wins 8-7. Feedback welcomed as I've learned so much from this forum. My real question in all of this is "does PU have the authority within the rules to prevent a player from taking the field for crying?". In PU's view, she couldn't see creating a safety issue. Does the warning/conversation in top of 1 seem appropriate?
  4. Here is a situation that I know you all will be able to help me with: 1 out runner on second. Batter hits a ball towards first base foul territory, ball is caught. Runner from second takes off without tagging, wild throw towards the SS covering 2B. Runner goes back, slides, base flies a few feet; runner is safe. There's this player on the defense who had already expressed discontent on a bang-bang play; he argues on this one as well. Question is, should I have ejected him. This is triple-AAA little league, about 9-11 years old.
  5. http://m.mlb.com/video/v1293296683/texsea-scott-servais-ejected-arguing-a-fair-ball/?query=servais This is one of the games I watched this weekend. As an umpire, I knew what was happening. Bucknor properly waited for the play to play itself out, then signaled time as there was some question whether it hit the batter in the box. So, overall Bucknor did the right things here and the ejection was deserved. Now I did not see or notice any communication between Bucknor & Carlson about potentially being hit in the box, but lack of any communication is essentially the same as saying he was not hit. However, I was with my father in law who gets easily fired up about sports and reviles all officials in all sports. He had a minor conniption about this which was fueled on by the announcers (we had a different feed than these announcers). Now in my amateur, Monday morning quarterback view here's what he could have possibly have done better (for educational purposes only not to criticize, condemn or otherwise put down any umpire). Point the ball fair. -- IMO this simple act could have quite possibly prevented everything. And it wouldn't have made any difference in terms of a potential batter hit in the box situation. Additionally, because it it was so close, emphatically point it fair. Verbalize calling time -- That seemed to be Servais's argument, 'You called foul' and you can read Bucknors lips, 'No, I called time' The other thing that did not go well for Bucknor were the optics of the situation. The first baseman seems to look back at him and ask if it was fair. Then Bucknor doesn't come up with the out call (not shown on this clip) until immediately after the first baseman says something else to him. This is just one of those tough darn-if-you-do, darn-if-you-don't situations, but it just looks bad.
  6. Legit Ejection... Hor$e$h+ Announcers. When Cabrera turns to say something to Angel Hernandez it definitely wasn't "You're the best"
  7. Varsity fall ball game last night. 0-2 pitch splits the plate right at the knees for called strike three. As the batter is slowly walking towards the 3B dugout, I can see out of the corner of my eye that he's staring at me. I look over at him and he's got daggers in his eyes and then points with his bat to indicate that he thought the pitch was low. I say nothing and then he says, "You're terrible." It was probably only loud enough for the catcher and me to hear it. I gave him the full treatment, removing my mask, giving the ejection mechanic and saying, "You're gone." The head coach yells at him, "What are you doing? Get over here!" The coach came to me between innings to apologize for his player. First ejection in probably 3 years - I don't keep track of them.
  8. This year's first came early! Last HS varsity scrimmage of the year. Visiting team is down 5-4 top 7. 2 outs .R1 & R3. 3-1 count. Fastball on the outer edge and BR flips his bat toward his dugout and bolts to 1B as I ring up strike two. BR stops and walks (perhaps it was more of a deliberate stroll) back to pick up his discarded bat. Guess who gets the stink eye? Next pitch. Everyone who knows anything about baseball knows what's going to happen, except perhaps BR. F1 delivers same exact pitch in the same exact place. Nice punch out to end the game and I hear, "You gotta be F*!#* kiddin' me!" as BR turns to me with fish bowl eyes. He then slams his helmet to the ground as I give the ol' heave ho. Easy peasy.
  9. Browsing thru youtube and found these, what do you think?
  10. Going way back in time to my first season doing high school ball. I was on the bases, working with an older guy from another association...someone I had never worked with, or even met. He was quite proud to tell me early on that this was his 36th year of high school baseball. Everything went fine until: Runner on first, LH pitcher. He comes set, steps off with his back (left) foot and snaps a quick throw to first. Ball skips in dirt, clips the helmet of the runner diving back, then bounces in to dead ball territory. I call TIME, and send the runner to 3rd. DC approaches my partner...I was too far away to hear what he said, but I did hear partner's response "Yeah, Skip. I'll take care of it." He then motioned for me to come conference. HIM: Why are you sending that guy to 3rd? ME: Throw from an infielder goes to DBT, 2 bases. HIM: But the throw came from the pitcher, that's just one base. ME: You must not have seen him step off. HIM: Sure I saw him step off, but he's still the pitcher. ME: I don't believe you are correct. Once he disengages, he becomes an infielder. HIM: No, as long as he's on the mound, he's a pitcher. Trust me, I've been at this a long time. This goes back and forth for a bit, I eventually gave in (he's senior and it's his plate), but bet him a beer I was right. Partner sends runner back to 2nd. Now out of the dugout comes OC. He's walking slowly, not saying a word, but he's flipping through pages of a rule book. U1 to OC: You better not be coming at me with a rule book. OC (just now looking up from book): John, I'm confused... U1:You can have the next hour or so in the parking lot to study your stinkin' book, 'cause YOU'RE GONE! Guys like this are the reason we now have to issue warnings. PS: He never did buy me that beer.
  11. Yesterday, 13u game. Top of the 2nd, Runner on 1st. Pitcher comes set, then disengages the rubber. R1 standing 7-8 ft from 1st base. Pitcher walks towards 1st, then finally throws the ball. R1 gets in a rundown. F3 chases runner to 2nd, tosses to F6 who chases him down to F1, who then chases the runner back to 2nd. F1 throws to F4, who places the tag on the runner, which I also see R1 lower his head and arms to power his way thru F4. As soon as I see it, I call R1 out, then eject him for MC. F4 hands me the ball and tries to catch his breathe. I turn to look where R1 went, he went straight out of the dugout into the stands. DC comes out (kids dad) to check on F4. OHC comes to me and ask why I threw his player out. I told him, I had MC, that he powered his helmet into the chest of F4. He claims his runner was trying to slide to 2nd, which he had no reason to slide whatsoever. he had no chance of reaching 2nd safely. DC pops off on the OC on why he would even come out and try to argue the ejection. OC mouths back to DC. I turn to the DC, told him enough and do what you came out here to do which is check on your son. I turned to the OC told him to knock it off, you came out to talk to me, not him, so talk to me. OC disagrees with the call, says it was horrible. I just let him say his last words and walk away. F4 turns out to be okay, no further issues took place. this is definitely the first time I've had MC at a base other than home plate. The OHC is the only person out of all the other coaches, players, parents, that felt it wasn't MC. Even the runner knew what he did and left immediately, didn't even bother to check on F4. My partner asked inbetween innings and made sure I had MC. He said he had it from HP. Gotta love 13u.
  12. http://m.mlb.com/video/v399190083/?query=ejection By the announcers comments, his zone has been big all night.
  13. He gave you a change Fredi ....l shatt app! p.s. More ear bleeding from the announcers no embed feature for this video yet http://m.mlb.com/video/v390919583/?query=umpire
  14. http://m.mlb.com/video/v377253783/?query=ejection Balk, no balk? What do you think? what argument would you have as a coach?
  15. embed feature not available ....but ....... this is just a good old fashioned shout-fest! http://m.mlb.com/video/v355924483/?query=ejection
  16. Gfoley4


    Joe Maddon was just ejected after his F1 threw to F3 as he was retreating back to the back (he was playing in for the bunt) and a balk was called. Will update with video when it's up.
  17. A supposed foul ball that not everyone agrees with, ...then, ...a next pitch home run leads to EJ's ...... discuss....... Your browser does not support iframes.
  18. At the time of this writing, I'm halfway through my 8th year of umpiring. Until tonight, I had called several hundred games, and not once Ejected a coach or player. Until tonight. 14U Elite ball game held at a 6-field complex used by the home team (which has over two dozen sibling teams across a variety of age groups and skill levels). This complex frequently hosts tournaments, and I'm well known to work these tournaments. Tonight's game was a Youth League game, with a Silver (home) team and a Red (visitor) team. Silver's HC is the dad of their F3, and I have seen him around the complex facility on more than one occasion. My PU partner is a younger college-age guy who I've worked many many times with before. Bottom of the first, 2 outs and with R2 and R3, there is a dribbler to F5. He guns it across the diamond to F3. A banger. I call BR "OUT!"... After the "Ooooooooos" that a play like that brings, I hear "I know that's your first call, but come on!", coming from the HC (in the vicinity of dugout; on this team, the 2 AC's are the 2 BC's). Top of the second, 2 outs, nobody on, and an infield nubber induces a wide throw (from either F5 or F6, I can't remember which), which causes Silver's F3 to stretch to make the catch. I see the foot off the bag, BR arrives, and I rule the BR "Safe!"... the F3 made a heckuva catch, just off the bag. HC is boring holes right through me, and fires off "Really??!! That's two! Two!" I gave him "The @Jocko" (ask Jocko about it, it's a stare), but ignored it further. Between innings, this HC approaches my PU, who only confirms what I saw – that F3's foot was off the bag. According to my PU (after the game), HC was incredulous. Top of the fifth, 2 outs, and Red is in a rally. They get bases loaded, but are a bit cavalier in their attention, and Silver's F2 guns a pickoff towards 3B on a retreating R3. F5 catches the throw and lays down the tag like he was scooping a fish out of a river. By all means, he's got R3 dead to rights, but in that sweeping tag, the ball comes shooting out of his glove. I point at it and say, "Ball is on the ground, he's Safe!" I now hear sputtering over my shoulder and turn to peer towards the 1BS dugout where the sputtering is coming from. The HC has stepped to the chalk line, and demonstrates with his hands, "He wasn't showing you the ball?" "Nope, I saw it as one continuous motion and the ball came out." "Come on! That's three!" I took a breath, waited a second, then asked, "Are you really keeping count?" "Yup! That's three!", Silver HC declared, showing me three fingers. So, I took one finger and pointed it towards the door in the fence, "Then you're done, coach. Leave." He looked at me, stunned, and left the field. Next half inning, Silver's 1BC / AC asked, "Do you have a history with our coach?" "Nope, not at all. Why's that?" "Because that's the fastest I've seen anyone get run."
  19. I'd like to see the adjusted @Gil: Owner - UEFL zone for this pitch .... Now, ... for us, that's a strike all day long, but ..... Your browser does not support iframes.
  20. Ok, so Collins lost his first challenge I guess because he can't review it .....fine, but ......can't Vanover initiate a crew chief challenge? btw ... SAFE MLB doesn't have an embed option on this video http://m.mlb.com/video/v197199283/?query=ejection
  21. ok ...I'm confused ......... Your browser does not support iframes.
  22. Ok, I know we don't have the audio for this, but .........it appears Pagan says "that's not a strike twice" .... then he's EJ'd ..... Your browser does not support iframes.
  23. It's almost as if Blaser is telling Hurdle, "relax, I know, I know" ........ Your browser does not support iframes.
  24. This video shows it all, ...not much to say, but ...entertaining Your browser does not support iframes.
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