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  1. You were spot on, and your partner was weak. When they refuse to take out the trash, we have to step in, otherwise the garbage really starts to pile up. Well done. And the, “Thanks, I appreciate it,” is not out of line. A simple, “Okay” is my preferred response in those situations. Pretty similar.
    8 points
  2. Maybe, but neither of those scenarios make it into my pregames (though the OP may be working at a different level). To the OP: your partner isn't being picky, he's just being wrong. In a 2-man game, with BU in B and a ball hit to F4, BU has catch/no-catch. Why would BU give it up to PU when he's literally right there, and with the same angle as PU? Giving the fair mechanic on a ball 30 feet fair isn't necessary and as you said, your partner should assume it's fair unless and until you verbalize foul. I assume this wasn't a trouble ball since he didn't go out, so unless your partner hears either "Jim, it's a catch" or "Foul" then he should just be doing his job watching the touch at first and for possible obstruction.
    7 points
  3. I might send F2 out to the mound to tell him to knock it off after the second time F1 asked. If F1 chooses to continue then he knows there will be consequences for his choices. Play stupid games. Win stupid prizes.
    6 points
  4. This jacka$$, bulls#!t move just set us (in the sports officiating community) back by five years, at least. Just when ya think you’ve stamped out all the pests, the 🤬 cockroaches 🪳 come out of the cracks, fueled by the “look at me! I’m trending!” decrepit, selfish rot our culture has become.
    6 points
  5. We should hear what @eddieq was or has been using. Not to shame him, or deride him, but this is an important data point. I absolutely appreciate the awareness & advice, and it’s vitally important, to be sure, but more $$$ ≠ “better protection”. Neither does bulk, volume, or “thickness”. Neither does MLB endorsement. Neither does any umpire, at any level, telling you, “Huhr, this is the one you need, huhr.” Instead, it’s about fit, coverage, and construction (method). I’m known for my seething contempt for Wilson. This isn’t because the Gold, or Platinum, or the Charcoal are “bad” CPs… if they fit you, cover you, and their protection method doesn’t affect you (dexterity, heat management, etc.), then I’m all for any brand or model you use… I’m just completely against (over)paying full retail (inflated, propped-up) prices for something that categorically does not warrant or deserve them. Impacts suck; I now have indeterminate nerve damage (as in, no prognosis as to when it ends) above my right knee as the residual effects of taking several (2 in particular) deep-tissue traumas via baseballs hitting me… pre-ThighPro ( @concertman1971 ). What I want to encourage you all with, there isn’t a single piece of protective equipment you should ever be shamed or dissuaded from wearing because “it’s a bad look” or “amateur”. Too damned bad! Wear it! These assigners, coordinators, and “evaluators” 🙄 aren’t the ones paying your medical bills or health insurance!
    6 points
  6. Exactly! Thank you! I could care less if you carry one or not. How's your game? That's what is important. And where did this notion come from that the world is going to end, or you're a SH*# umpire if you happen to glance at your indicator once in a while? Why is there a stigma around that? Who the F*#K cares if you occasionally glance at you indicator at appropriate times? What F*#King possible difference could it make catching an occasional glance? It's no different than glancing at the scoreboard once in a while. And yes, we all do it. And yes my indicator is notched, been doing that for years. I don't know why we sometimes focus on abject stupidity, like don't ever look at your indicator, you must wear your stupid association patch, you must wear the EXACT same shirt, color of ball bags, blah, blah, blah! Nobody F*#King cares and it's not helping recruiting and retaining umpires.
    6 points
  7. Don't get me started on "rabbit ears" criticisms. It ain't rabbit ears if I'm supposed to hear it...
    5 points
  8. Handling situations... This is one of my POE for some of our younger/newer umpires. Granted, everyone is different so no roasting. If I may offer a suggestion. Send that message a little more discreet. If you have a rapport with the Catcher, send him out to the pitcher with your message. If not, maybe discuss with player AND coach as they come off of the field. Obviously, you got the message across and no further issues. I get it, it hurt. Here is one of my EALRY (20+ yrs ago) exchanges. I don't remember the inning or situation........ Me: Ball F1: throws hands up like a drama queen Me: (Loudly (as you did above) I shouted so F1 and both teams could hear) Do you want to pitch, or do you want to umpire? You're not going to do both! ...........no further issues from the pitcher After the game, the player and his father approached my at the umpire locker room (my truck, in the parking lot). The young man shook my hand and apologized. He stated that he was too emotional and was working on mental toughness. I thanked him for this, and we parted ways. Fast forward 6-8 years, and after the HS team won a State Championship, out of the blue he came up to me and asked if I remembered our first encounter. I told him that I did. He looked down at his championship medal and thanked me again. How do you want to make an impact? How do you want to be remembered?
    5 points
  9. I have had a persistent cough for some time now that has gotten progressively worse. I finally went to an urgent care where they took a chest xray and found, "atelectasis" which is partial collapse of a lung or node. The xray shows a narrow band of collapsed air sacks near the bottom of the one lung node. It's speculation but the doctor tells me it could be from a blunt force injury. So while there is a lot of talk about heart stopping blows to the chest, don't ignore symptoms like a cough or shortness of breath after taking a shot. I'm on a series of meds and basically instructions to keep breathing deeply to try to get those air sacks filling again. Following up with my family doctor as well. So for sure, listen to your body. Stay hydrated. Keep your fitness level up as much as possible. Above all have a great game!
    5 points
  10. This is a very important insight. FIT. As a woman, I struggled to find a chest protector that could fit well and provide the protection I needed to ensure that I was not hurt when taking balls to the chest. Because of this, I settled on the All-Star Cobalt, which I would recommend to any woman looking to get into umpiring. Just a little something from the other side's perspective.
    5 points
  11. Having had a few new experiences at different levels of ball recently, I want to throw a theory out there . . . "Where was it?" is not the question they are actually asking and they are asking it incorrectly. In a recent couple of games, I had catchers and batters asking me "Was that the bottom?" and "Was that the corner?" They weren't outright questioning my call, they were trying to dial in where my interpretation (or my view) of the zone was. They weren't arguing, they were just establishing where my zone was. If I called a ball that was painting an edge and high/low, they are asking to figure out which direction it missed in. That said, most of the levels that most of us work most of the time do NOT have that kind of acumen. They are not trying to calibrate, but are passively complaining because they have not learned how to calibrate the zone or how to ask the question. As @MadMax said, context.
    5 points
  12. 5 points
  13. Have to give a big response to this comment. In the summer of 2008 I was going through a pre-screening for a previously scheduled procedure. Being a semi athlete raised in the 60's and 70's I was always taught to play through the pain. But, for some reason, when asked about any issues I responded that I don't want to come off as a pussy, but I've had some issues with chest pain at certain times. Couple of days later was getting a 6 way bypass. Wish I hadn't been such a play through the pain idiot. Could have dropped over on a baseball field. Listen to your body guys.
    5 points
  14. 100%! Hope you heal up quickly! I wasn't going to share this story, but this post hit home pretty hard. I play softball on Sunday nights, have for almost 30 years with this same team. About 3 weeks ago I was running the bases and when I crossed the plate I was huffing and puffing pretty good, my chest was a little tight, and my jaw started hurting. The symptoms went away after about 30 seconds, but I wasn't feeling too good. I finished the game and didn't say anything, it was the late game, so I got home about 11pm. I almost went to the ER, but like a good male, I ignored the symptoms and went to bed. I told myself that I would call the Doc in the morning and make an appointment. (BTW, my oldest son is a firefighter/EMT and was awake when I got home. He was pretty mad I didn't sat anything to him that night.) Anyway, woke up Monday morning and was getting ready to go to work, but I told myself that I was going to make the call. You know, to make an appointment and get checked out. Nothing doing, the nurse told me to get to the ER immediately. My youngest son drove me, got a front of the line pass, and they took me right in. After an EKG, blood work, and a stress test, the cardiologist told me that I wasn't going home today, and that I was more than likely getting some stents or bypass surgery, as I had significant blockage somewhere. Anyway, after 2 day in the hospital, I'm the recipient of 3 stents. One of the blockages was at 95%. Fortunately, no heart attack and no bypass surgery. Everyone at the hospital was very glad I didn't ignore the symptoms. So far feeling pretty good and was cleared recently to resume back to normal. I decided to take a few months off from umpiring. I'm on blood thinners and I'm not in the mood to take any shots to my body as the bruising would be awful and maybe dangerous. I haven't talked with my cardiologist about umpiring yet and the risks. I'll do that soon. Being a contractor, dealing with all sorts of aches and pains is par for the course, so I'm used to ignoring SH*#. Honestly, if it wasn't for the jaw pain, which I knew could be serious, I wouldn't have gone in. Yeah, listen to your body.
    5 points
  15. If you need to spend more money on a hard shell chest protector ...this story should be the one that encourages that. Regardless of the level ... better protection is ALWAYS a good idea
    5 points
  16. I've called this once in 15 years, and it was on a bunt where I had time to see the batter's foot on the plate as he squared.
    5 points
  17. Don't make this your best call. If you're going to make this call, you better be damn sure the batters foot was entirely outside the box and on the ground when contact with the ball was made. And if you did see it so clearly, why weren't you tracking the pitch and seeing the ball off the bat? How were the lines of the batters box? Were they still clearly marked? I've seen it called many times in LL, and usually it's the wrong call. The umpire was just assuming the foot was outside the box. For some reason, during LL training, they like to emphasize making this call. There's a reason for the rule, and make sure it is applied properly and in the right situations.
    5 points
  18. Pine tar on aluminum bats was illegal? So what's now the most ignored rule in NFHS?
    5 points
  19. Unless you see him miss, then he didn't. Call the out. If the defensive team asks you to get help from your partner, then see if your partner had him off the base. It's easier to change the call that way than saying you saw him miss and change it to him touching the base. Same as a possible pulled foot when the fielder stretches straight at you. Never walk to the dugout. I know you probably don't want to tell across the field, but if they don't know how to act, then put up your hand with a firm, "That's enough!" If they run through the stop sign, then eject. If you're working a game where you should give an official warning, then do so. But don't walk to the dugout. That's your partner's business. If they were being respectful and asking a question, then I wouldn't have a problem with them talking to him since he gave you the information to change your call. Don't come down unless (1) your partner is getting outnumbered or (2) the argument is dragging on and you need to be within earshot and to rodeo clown someone who's been ejected. Don't assume your partner is going to ask you for help. I don't understand. He told them he was sure it was foul? Why didn't he just change the call then and there? "They" can't appeal to you. Only your partner can do that. If they ask you what you saw, then the only proper answer (if you give one at all) would be that it's your partner's call. Hard stop. Sounds like you essentially did this. No. The only time you should step in, unsolicited, is if your partner misapplied a rule or a situation like where he called an out on a tag where the ball was clearly on the ground and he didn't see it. A pure judgment call on a fair/foul isn't a time where you can "fix" it without being asked.
    5 points
  20. Pop ups are allowed in NCAA .... at the base.... this slide happened way before the base and he popped up interfering with the throw (I'm assuming that would work?) 🤔
    5 points
  21. It's kind of a cool idea, but I'll stick with my All Star indicator with the notches. With just a squeeze of my fingers, I can confirm the count and outs. I'm pretty sure I do it subconsciously before I do a called third strike, or an infield fly call. I'm totally and completely reliant on it and I'd probably be a mess out there (more than usual, anyway) without it.
    5 points
  22. 14U large tournament semi-finals... Top 1st. Two close plays, one goes for HT and one goes for VT. Bottom 1st, 1 out - R1 stealing, F2 throws to F6 who makes a long sweeping (waving) tag but I have no definitive tag, so I signal safe. Def HC comes out yelling: "That's two, that's two, that's two this inning that you've cost us!" At which point I asked him "What did you say?" to give him a chance to slow down or back out and he continues saying "that's two calls this inning you've cost me", so I ran him. I was a bit surprised that we were doing this so early in a semi-final game, so I was kind of dumbstruck and didn't say much beyond "What did you say?" and then "You can't do that (keep count and accuse me of trying to cheat), you're gone." as I tossed him. I never raised my voice and my toss signal was not animated at all, just a general wave towards RF as I said "you're gone". After I toss him, he said "you can't toss me for that, I only came out to ask a question". Then I told him he's done, he can't accuse an umpire of trying to cheat him, so he really goes off calling me an effing douche-bag and saying I'm a homer and trying to help them win. He finally gets it all out and leaves, mouthing off to me the whole way about how bad I am. He leaves, but shows up about half-way down the RF line a few outs later. I texted site management and he is made to leave the park, but if he stands straight down the RF line he can be "outside" of the park entrance technically, so he stood down there on this phone the rest of the game. Every little bit I could hear him talking to a parent down the RF line, but cannot make out what's said so I ignore it. Great game, walk-off walk with 1 out ends it. As I'm waiting on my partner to get his water so we can exit the field together, the Def HC comes up to me, as he's re-entering the field, and tells me that I need sensitivity training and that I was terrible. I just shook my head in bewilderment and walked off. Of course, I made a report with my assignor about the situation. What did I do right and what did I do wrong? I didn't get a chance to say much because coach said all I needed and there really wasn't any way to keep him in the game after he made it personal with the "that's two YOU'VE cost me this inning". Thanks in advance.
    4 points
  23. @Tborze, I would encourage you to re-think your process here...in spirit, I think we're all in agreement with this. However, if you are ever working with a rookie or new-ish umpire, especially a minor, and they are getting static from a coach for arguing balls and strikes...we take care of each other out there. Please step in and issue a warning or perform whatever game management/verbal judo you need to do to shut it down. #TheBrotherhood ~Dawg
    4 points
  24. One of the great customer service features of Ump attire is how easy they make returns, and how quickly you are credited for the return.
    4 points
  25. Well damn, that conversation went LEFT in a hurry!
    4 points
  26. I’ve also used “gyrations”. I like to test ‘em. ACT prep.
    4 points
  27. And this guy is evaluating you?🤦 I don’t think I could have resisted a wise ass comment when he asked me about the ball to RF. I think my reply would have been…” If you had doubts about it being fair or foul, why didn’t you go out?
    4 points
  28. If it isn’t close enough to the line for your partner to go out on, there is no need for a signal.
    4 points
  29. Add me to the group saying, "Too quick? You didn't do enough." As has been said, we CANNOT allow this to go on as it will quickly get out of hand. Unless your goal is to end up on TikTok or the local/national news for a physical confrontation, shut this SH*# down yesterday. If they had been riding him all game, the AC charging was enough to dump him right then and there. The HC might get some leeway to come out, but the AC doesn't get to join him, let alone charge at him. Once the coach used the two magic words, he had removed himself from the game. The "Y' word is the magic one, but at 18u we are still PG-13. You might get one F-bomb assuming it isn't referring to the act or the umpire. The dugout? Nope, none of that whatsoever. Start shooting monkeys in the cage once the first one happens after they have been told (not that they should be told) and keep shooting monkeys until the cage is empty or they fall in line. 1BC . . . OK if he wants to speak out for his player, but as soon as he turned his attention and comments to PU . . . another monkey. Followed by . . . Crap like "Coach, if you keep saying that I will have to eject you" has no place in our vernacular. Don't make weak candy coated threats, especially when you have no intention of following through on them. Don't become the frog at a frog boil. Take care of business.
    4 points
  30. That's for sure. Glad you're doing well and thanks for sharing your story. I'm not ready to give up umpiring and I also wasn't sure if my cardiologist would sign off on it. Hopefully, he'll be okay with it like yours is.
    4 points
  31. That's one odd hit. The clips are almost behind the shin guard. I purchased mine when they first came out. Not one issue. God knows how many games. I'd buy another pair if needed in a heartbeat.
    4 points
  32. Less adhering to diagrammed, method-of-the-manual routes, and more to being an alert, aware, engaged participant in the game. Camps & clinics will preach “chest to ball”; School teaches the “Umpire Tiers of Responsibility” – Fair/Foul, Catch/No-Catch, Safe/Out, Tags & Touches… Well, there’s another tier, even before Fair/Foul that I proclaim to every nascent umpire I work with, talk with, and mentor. It is – Status & Location of the Ball. “If the ball is Live, then where is it?” If you stay chest to ball, as much as possible, then you are acknowledging where the ball is. For this reason, I personally abhor the buttonhook pivot, and think that any direction to do so should be buried in the sands of time well forgotten. Burn the diagram.
    4 points
  33. That ball is very likely to become fair. Interference on the batter. He's out and runners return.
    4 points
  34. That convinces me that "no UI" is the correct call. You might want it to be different and to apply in the OP, but it doesn't. Here's one FED interp (emphasis added).: SITUATION 11: No outs and no runners on base when the batter swings and misses strike three that is in the dirt. As the batter-runner takes off for first, the catcher moves to pick up the ball and throw it to the first baseman. Meanwhile, the plate umpire has also moved to see the resulting action better and inadvertently interferes with the catcher’s throw, which sails to the outfield. The batter-runner advances to second base. RULING: It is only umpire interference if the act is specifically identified as umpire interference in the rules. By rule, it is umpire interference when a plate umpire hinders, impedes or prevents a catcher’s throw attempting to prevent a stolen base or retire a runner on a pickoff play. Any other occasion where an umpire hinders a play is to be considered incidental contact. The intent of the rule for umpire interference by a plate umpire is to prevent the possibility of interference where a catcher is trying to throw immediately after a pitch, and the umpire has to be in position to see that pitch, and there is contact. In this play, it is incidental contact and the result of the play shall stand. (2-21-2, 8-3-6)
    4 points
  35. According to California, it too causes cancer. 🙄
    4 points
  36. He comes from off-screen after the punch is thrown. I wouldn't be so quick to blame him or shame him on this one... we (umpires) have done this to ourselves by implying that we aren't to inject ourselves into our partners' discussions, or discussions about his call(s), unless asked or invited. It may not be a profit problem at all. It may be a glut-of-games / shortage-of-umpires / lack-of-trained (in 3 man)-umpires issue. In Arizona, of all the (overabundance) of games we've got, Perfect Game is one of the few tournament events that willingly pay (or offer to pay) for 3-man, 4-man, and even 6-man (on 'Chips). Know what hinders that? Enough umpires. Or, worse yet, enough umpires who can show a little bit of humility, flexibility (mental and habitual, not physical), and interest to try > 2-man deployments. IMEO, it's the best way to learn, or at least try it in a low-risk environment. ... In no way whatsoever am I blaming the umpire. I don't think we should lay any blame on Perfect Game, unless they shelter, harbor, or abet this coach in any way. Perfect Game should "cut this guy loose", and allow for proper authorities (including the umpire) to prosecute and press charges to the full extent of the law. If PG wants to stay included in this process, they should file charges (of some kind) on this coach for endangering PG employees and/or contractors.
    4 points
  37. Oohhh, they have plate pants too https://www.32degrees.com/products/mens-twill-tech-cargo-pant?variant=41194394943577
    4 points
  38. I would think they asked to review whether or not the runner touched the plate, which would have made the physical assistance call moot. That's also likely the only reviewable part of this play, unless they went for a rules check.
    4 points
  39. "Who the F*#K cares if you occasionally glance at you indicator at appropriate times?" I agree with you, however, maybe you missed that part of my OP. Obviously I agreed with Kevin about some umpires with their nose buried in their indicators most of the game, but an occasional quick glance at the right times is no issue for me. Besides, any distraction could cause an umpire to miss something on the field, it could be anything other than looking at your indicator, maybe someone trying to get your attention, etc. Many things could cause us to momentarily look away. The key is to have situational awareness at all times during a game.
    4 points
  40. MLBUM added a 2017 interp: "....so long as the umpire determines that a play is being made on the runner and an attempt to tag is occurring, i.e. the fielder is moving to tag, no physical tag attempt is required to call a runner out for leaving the basepath."
    4 points
  41. When you think about it, maybe he did umpires who work that guys future games a solid. The next time he gets restricted, he'll think he has to park his keister on the bench.
    4 points
  42. I call college, and the “ logic” of the wording doesn’t concern me. It’s pretty straight forward. A pop up slide “ON THE BAG” is legal. The only logic I need to use here is. IF - he slides and pops up prior to the bag and interferes, or alters the play THEN - It’s a FPSR violation.
    4 points
  43. @MadMax, that was going to be my response to @Biscuit’s statement on intent. If popping up right there and then is not the epitome of intent, I don’t know what is. Do you want him to carry a sign?
    4 points
  44. Ya know, there’s a question that isn’t being asked, and its inclusion would be a significant factor… Why did he (R1) slide short (“Buh! Obviously, Max, to avoid contacting the fielder and being hit by the throw, buh!”), but then pop-up there?? If he runs to the right (OF), he’s fine; if he runs to the left (IF), he’s fine; if he slides short, like he does, and stays on the ground, he’s (I fervently believe) fine. But he pops up there? Just then? 🤔 There’s a purpose to it, if only to distract and disrupt the infielder’s throw to 1B. Instinctual reaction is to duck, or to get low and stay low. He’s popping up like a cardboard cutout at a shooting range. If this on any level of college baseball beneath postseason D-1, I don’t think this gets looked at, or challenged. The presence of the “big cameras” spurs a coach to challenge it.
    4 points
  45. ...with Little League. It's been a while in reaching this point, but this was always going to be the result. Contributing factors: Our HS association has few members and needs the coverage. Between LL and HS, I don't have the time to both, let alone adjust my zone from one ruleset to another. Parents. Why are LL parents so much worse than HS parents? Coaches. Why are LL coaches so afraid to deal with their players--especially when the kid they need to deal with is their own? Slim chance of progression further than the State tournament. With the identification clinics that LL does now for regionals and for the LLWS, there's very little chance of me reaching my one-time goal of going to a regional tournament or the LLWS. I will not pay $1,500 out of pocket to only have to wait decades due to the few number of LL umpires in my state as compared to others. I'll continue to do HS and Legion, but my time with LL is done. Thanks for joining me on my mini-rant.
    4 points
  46. Hardly ever. Instead of actually picking up a rules book and reading it, I believe some of their "knowledge" comes from watching MLB games and listening to the awful announcers as stated by Lindsay all too often. And what's even better is that they don't know there's a difference between LL, HS, college, pro, etc.
    4 points
  47. Or worse, the umpire becomes the source – Patient Zero – of the malodorous misapplication of a rule, or makes-up-s#!t on site. I have termed this, “Viral Umpiring”. Why? Because when an umpire MSU (or misapplies a rule, without correction), how many adults are affected and afflicted, at least? 3 (if U is solo) or 4. These 4 adults now carry that forward, thinking that that is, in fact, the correct rule! That that turd sandwich is actually a porterhouse steak! No… I reside in the camp-of-thought that coaches don’t have original thoughts (no matter how idiotic-to-baseball they are), and that when we hear them regurgitate “rule interpretations” to us that are laughably wrong or idiotic, I (now) don't shame them… I now inquire, “Which umpire told you that?!”
    4 points
  48. I will say, working without an indicator feels good. Not something I'd do, but it does feel good. If you ckuks guarantee that my score board operator would never make a mistake, I would go sans indicator in a heart beat.
    4 points
  49. Beats me. It seems a lot more work to me versus simply rolling the indicator, but maybe someone that uses it instead can chime in and tell us. And if you forget to roll the indicator - why wouldn't you also forget to move the down indicators on your fingers too?
    4 points
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