Dropped line drive, OUT, return R1

[Thunderheads]

You don't see this often ...... 

 

And I like the fact that Mattingly doesn't even flinch ............

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=29932457&topic_id=9780550

[scrounge]

that closeup look of a seemingly befuddled Ramirez and eventual smile was pretty funny

[Thunderheads]

that closeup look of a seemingly befuddled Ramirez and eventual smile was pretty funny

agree:)

looking at Hirschbeck .....

[johnnyg08]

The announcers nailed that one. #rareform

[Mudder]

Batter is out, R1 stays at 1B, but after he signals the out Hirschbeck looks like he is pointing " you go there", or what exactly is he pointing to?

[24sdad]

Anyone else notice it appeared Hirschbeck originally wanted to award batter first base and possibly get the out on R1?  One of those plays that a pro may see once in a career, thinking "I know someone is out and someone is not...now who is it?"

[Thunderheads]

No,....I think he's signaling the out, and sending R1 back to first

[24sdad]

No,....I think he's signaling the out, and sending R1 back to first

Jeff, if that is the case then R1 was running the bases backward.  Hirschbeck points to the area of the 45 ft line (about where you would expect the batter to be) and then motions across his body, indicating that "whoever" is standing in that area is to continue to first base.  Then it looks like Hirschbeck (just guessing here) looks to PU making correct award and Hirschbeck nods his head in agreement.

[Thunderheads]

 

No,....I think he's signaling the out, and sending R1 back to first

Jeff, if that is the case then R1 was running the bases backward.  Hirschbeck points to the area of the 45 ft line (about where you would expect the batter to be) and then motions across his body, indicating that "whoever" is standing in that area is to continue to first base.  Then it looks like Hirschbeck (just guessing here) looks to PU making correct award and Hirschbeck nods his head in agreement.

 

nice catch!! I didn't notice that at first ........... there is a runner on first though ...........

 

isn't the batter out, and R1 returns correct?

[noumpere]

 

 

No,....I think he's signaling the out, and sending R1 back to first

Jeff, if that is the case then R1 was running the bases backward.  Hirschbeck points to the area of the 45 ft line (about where you would expect the batter to be) and then motions across his body, indicating that "whoever" is standing in that area is to continue to first base.  Then it looks like Hirschbeck (just guessing here) looks to PU making correct award and Hirschbeck nods his head in agreement.

 

nice catch!! I didn't notice that at first ........... there is a runner on first though ...........

 

isn't the batter out, and R1 returns correct?

 

That's the rule yes and I agree and did notice that the mechanics seemed a bit unusual when it was first called.  But they got it right and honestly when was the last time any of them got to practice it? lol.

[UmpJeff]

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

[maven]

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

Saw it once when I was working a semi-pro league in Asia. None of the other umpires knew the rule, including the league UIC. I won a couple beers that day...

[FlaUmp22]

It happens every so often down here but not many guys call it... besides the fact it should be enforced I'm not trusting youth kids to be able to execute throws to get outs so I take them when I can!

[mstaylor]

The first time I had it was a semi- pro game and it was a varsity coach that did it. I called it, enforced it correctly and all he did was smile. He knew he got caught.<br /><br />Sent from my C771 using Tapatalk 2<br /><br />

[Rich Ives]

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

The famous Reggie non-interference play in the WS started wiith a non-called intentional drop by Bill Russell.

[dumbdumb]

 

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

The famous Reggie non-interference play in the WS started wiith a non-called intentional drop by Bill Russell.

 

Was this the play. Was this the umpire (1B) whoever he was (Pulli?), that one might say was before his time and is the father of IR review?

 

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28130223&query=reggie%2Bjackson

[Richvee]

That's it. Haven't seen that clip in a while. Interesting that the announcers seemed to be on top of the rules. They mention Russell can't drop that ball on purpose, and they mention that Jackson is out, and if it was to be called INT it would have had to be judged intentional. I can't imagine how badly some of todays announcers would have butchered the comments and rule interps on that play! 

[Mudder]

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

The famous Reggie non-interference play in the WS started wiith a non-called intentional drop by Bill Russell.

Was this the play. Was this the umpire (1B) whoever he was (Pulli?), that one might say was before his time and is the father of IR review?

 

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28130223&query=reggie%2Bjackson

Gotta love those colorful jackets and those white turtlenecks!! BTW talk about a non stop balk! If that was called there it would have added even one more dimension to confuse that play even more!!

[Richvee]

 

 

 

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

The famous Reggie non-interference play in the WS started wiith a non-called intentional drop by Bill Russell.

 

Was this the play. Was this the umpire (1B) whoever he was (Pulli?), that one might say was before his time and is the father of IR review?

 

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28130223&query=reggie%2Bjackson

 

Gotta love those colorful jackets and those white turtlenecks!! BTW talk about a non stop balk! If that was called there it would have added even one more dimension to confuse that play even more!!

 

I've noticed that. Not only this clip. Watch games/highlights from that era., Many pitchers didn't stop. I was watching a Yankees Classic game on YES, can't remember what game, but both pitchers were just bouncing through the set. 

[LMSANS]

 

 

 

 

I've never in my 47 years in baseball (playing, coaching, and umpiring) witnessed a fielder intentionally drop a line drive.  And the first time is at the MLB level.  I would expect that from amateur levels but not the ML level.  Just goes to show that it's still a kid's game.  Crazy!

 

The famous Reggie non-interference play in the WS started wiith a non-called intentional drop by Bill Russell.

 

Was this the play. Was this the umpire (1B) whoever he was (Pulli?), that one might say was before his time and is the father of IR review?

 

 

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28130223&query=reggie%2Bjackson

 

Gotta love those colorful jackets and those white turtlenecks!! BTW talk about a non stop balk! If that was called there it would have added even one more dimension to confuse that play even more!!

 

I've noticed that. Not only this clip. Watch games/highlights from that era., Many pitchers didn't stop. I was watching a Yankees Classic game on YES, can't remember what game, but both pitchers were just bouncing through the set. 

 

I believe that the "change of direction" was considered a stop back in the 20th century.

[Richvee]

wow..."Back in the 20th century"...I'm definitely getting old.   

[Kevin_K]

I have had two intentional drops this year! Both my partners had the deer in the headlights, wtf do I do now look.

 

I remember watching that game when I was a kid. Based on the sound of the voices, I think the announcers are (in order of appearance) Tony Kubek, Joe Garagiola, and Tom Seaver. That might be why they knew the rules. Then again, many announcers today, including the idiot who calls games on the south side of Chicago, were professional players as well.

[Richvee]

I have had two intentional drops this year! Both my partners had the deer in the headlights, wtf do I do now look.

 

I remember watching that game when I was a kid. Based on the sound of the voices, I think the announcers are (in order of appearance) Tony Kubek, Joe Garagiola, and Tom Seaver. That might be why they knew the rules. Then again, many announcers today, including the idiot who calls games on the south side of Chicago, were professional players as well.

Good memory Kevin. I knew one was Garagiola, was pretty sure about Seaver and Kubek. Those were the days that during the post season the networks would use one of their guys (Garagiola), and the two home team announcers. Loved those few years Kubek and Seaver did the Yankee games.