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  1. iirc, NCAA used to NOT have the "pop up slide at the base" rule. Then some coach(es) indicated that it was safer to allow the runner to pop up at the base rather than have the runner's lead foot be stopped abruptly and the force of the rest of the body be pushing on the leg / knee. So the pop-up slide at the base was added. In the play indicated -- if the runner had been at the base then it would just be play on.
  2. Pot. Kettle. Black. That part does not apply to FED. It's (almost) always TOI (FPSR being the main, and maybe only, exception) As a practical matter, when a runner is hit by a batted ball, other runners will NOT have advanced to the next base yet, so the penalty / return is the same.
  3. I'd have the "missing" player added to the end of the lineup. So, while there was some BOO earlier, it was corrected by the time you discovered it . No penalty, play on, #34 (?) bats in the 12th spot.
  4. We might be able to use this interp to justify the "abandonment is not a force out": SITUATION 20: With runners on first and third there are two outs. The batter hits a fly ball to right field. R3 immediately comes home, but R1, thinking there is only one out, remains on first base to tag up. The first base coach sees R1 still at first base and gives R1 a slight push to get moving. R3 has crossed the plate just before the push and the fly ball falls at F9’s feet for a base hit. RULING: When a coach physically assists a runner during playing action, the assisted runner is called out immediately and the ball remains live and in play. This is a timing play and the run will count since R3 touched home prior to the out being declared. The defense did not force R3 out so the third out is not considered to be a force out. (8-4-2s, 3-2-2, 9-1-1) OR, maybe we just say "in a game ending situation, even though it looks like abandonment, treat it as (or wait for) an appeal"
  5. noumpere

    Appeal play

    This is a time play, and not a force out. So, since the run scored before the third out was made (on the appeal), the run counts.
  6. Some people in this thread are certainly full of Bullwinkle.
  7. Yes -- but (under OBR) for the purposes of getting two outs, they are the same rule: (6) If, in the judgment of the umpire, a base runner willfully and deliberately interferes with a batted ball or a fielder in the act of fielding a batted ball with the obvious intent to break up a double play, the ball is dead. The umpire shall call the runner out for interference and also call out the batter-runner because of the action of his teammate. In no event may bases be run or runs scored because of such action by a runner (see Rule 6.01(j));
  8. I thought it was okay and would have been okay with a swing (upon review, call stands) Thought some game had a good balk call on F1 feinting to second.
  9. It's more of a "I'm a Leo and we don't believe in that psycho mumble-jumble" Honestly, if it helps you out, go for it -- but both have *almost* the same value.
  10. It's more of a "I'm a Leo and we don't believe in that psycho mumble-jumble" Honestly, if it helps you out, go for it -- but both have *almost* the same value.
  11. Generally, the umpire needs to negate the OBS (there are some nuances here that probably don't apply). So, absent the OBS -- would the runner have returned successfully? That's the primary question.
  12. This depends on the timing. If the OBS prevented the runner from returning to second before the defense can appeal, then enforce the OBS. If not, allow the appeal. For example If the runner was running all out for third and the OBS happened just as F4 was catching the ball and the defense was already setting up for the appeal -- then allow the appeal. IF R2 was returning to second when he was OBS and the ball was still high in the air, then enforce the OBS.
  13. *Possible* exception to the above: Manager A realizes belatedly that he should change pitchers and has no one warming up. He brings in ineligible Sub B to the mound and sends eligible Sub C to the bull pen (or has him throw on the field where that is allowed). Just as Sub B finishes his warm up, Manager A "suddenly realizes" ("is shocked to discover") that B is ineligible. He now wnats to take B out and replace with C.
  14. The common sense answer is to treat a pitch count rest day as a form of injury. But, it's AL, so .,...
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