johnnyg08

Is it safe to say that since this is turning into a mechanics discussion that we don't have anything besides an out on this play? 🤣

If you received this mechanics advice regarding three person...what would you think? "With R1 only, U3 is to set his initial position in Deep C (Not Deep B). This is mandatory with a LHB and also with a RHP which will be more than 80% of all play situations. The only time being in Deep B is acceptable is with an LHP and RHB (this single combination)."

Do we have anything here? The call on the field was "out"?

Excellent find! Great job!

But that's the point..he's not ejected. He's restricted and can still coach his team from the dugout.

I agree with you. In a way, the team can get two "mouthpieces" if we treat it any other way. If the HC is still there, but restricted, we must work with the HC...since he's still the HC, just restricted.

Yes. Of course. Those items were never in dispute. I was unclear in my previous post. That's the asst. coach responsibilities..the part where I'm seeking clarity is on plays they'd like to discuss. As seen in my most recent post before this one. Can the "acting" formerly an assistant, come out to discuss a play...when the actual HC is still in the game, but restricted? The HC can still coach, he can call his team over to the dugout for a defensive conference, etc... But who gets to "come out" and ask about a pulled foot at 1B? If we allow the acting HC/assistant, don't they now have two people who can do this when the non-offending team only gets one (their HC)?

Fair. So let's say that's going great until a scenario comes up where NOW the restricted HC wants to have a word bit for the last 5 innings it's been the Asst. Do they now get two coaches who get to ahave a word? Where as the team across the diamond wio has been doing everything right has to stick with just their HC and their assistants have to keep their mouth shut. Seems to me the strategy might be to get restricted for more leeway for your assistant.

I've reviewed his stuff, but I haven't seen specifics regarding what the "on field assistant coach's" responsibilities are whe the head coach is still in the game, just restricted.

So basically substitutions and base coaching.

Rule 3-2-4 States at the Head Coach must attend the plate meeting "Pregame Conference" When this happens, the head coach remains the "head coach" they simply coach from the bench/dugout area. Correct? My question is: Can the assistant coach...let's say the asst coach who was at the plate meeting come out to discuss plays with the crew or is that still the responsibility of the head coach who has been restricted? IOW, the umpire would need to go over to the bench/dugout area to discuss plays or request the crew conference on a play? I feel as though the HC is still the HC, he's just restricted to the bench for his failure to attend the plate meeting. For the purposes of this, assume that the HC refused to attend the plate meeting.

Where do you put the least experienced umpire in a three person crew? I tend to lean with the plate. My reasoning is that they're used to calling pitches and there aren't a ton of vulnerable rotations for PU in three person. If he forgets to rotate up to third and vacate home, it's not typically an enormous issue. What do you think and why?

The crew had a foul ball in the box.

Yes! In a two person crew from A...U1 has to be VERY careful with LH batters. It's a bit easier with RH hitters from A. I've worked with a couple of partners over the years who killed it on LH batters and I had a look as PU and it 100% did not hit them. That's a hard bell to unring.

I don't know if video review fixes this exact scenario with the video that we have. But...sure...with credible video...that would be ideal. What would fix the madness is when the other three umpires on the field see their U3 calling "Time" or "Foul" to mirror that to try to slow things down a bit. Especially with a four umpire crew. PU doesn't have a great look at this...especially with three base umpires....he can let his guard down a bit and not try so hard to try and get it. A good pregame and better mechanics ultimately make the crew look more credible. BTW, I think they got it right...it just didn't look good, esp with four.