Dickey- balk

[Thunderheads]

big double knee pop ....

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1139672683/?query=balk

[JaxRolo]

Nice call. Love it.

[Stk004]

So the balk is when his knees sort of buckled? Kind of surprised U1 called it given that Dickey is a RHP. 

[maven]

So the balk is when his knees sort of buckled? Kind of surprised U1 called it given that Dickey is a RHP. 

Question for you, since you asked. What rule did he violate?

[Stk004]

2 hours ago, maven said:

Question for you, since you asked. What rule did he violate?

He didn't step directly to first base in a continuous motion? 

[Stk004]

2 hours ago, maven said:

Question for you, since you asked. What rule did he violate?

Or, is it considered a motion naturally associated with his delivery and then failing to deliver a pitch? 

[udbrky]

Yes, start-stop.

[lawump]

NCAA sent out a mid-season update (or whatever they're officially called) during this past season wanting umpires to do a better job getting this balk.

[JaxRolo]

Yes, start-stop.

^^^this

[dumbdumb]

On 9/8/2016 at 5:03 PM, lawump said:

NCAA sent out a mid-season update (or whatever they're officially called) during this past season wanting umpires to do a better job getting this balk.

This link below goes with OP (buckle), as to the knee buckle that was done by Al Leiter and Ryan Dempster and other balks talked about.

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/v1151858783/dempster-and-leiter-discuss-balks-in-the-majors/?query=balk

 

 

I thought it was neat when Al Leiter point blank admitted certain organizations teach certain, let's just say unsavory moves.

So, there you have it, they want you to do an illegal move and then they are just going to yell at any umpire, (to back their player up), that calls the infraction.

What did Leiter (although Dempster brings up knee buckle first at 5:07) say, he 'thought' (doesn't mean that was the organization) it was Baltimore that use to teach a cheat move and asking what it was, and then he went back to talking about the knee buckle/break to first and then turn. Dempster talked about that pinwheel move and not stepping, just spinning on that free foot or stepping back  rather than to the base.

Leiter admitted the left hander move he and others get away with, the 45 angle crap at 5:15, is just that, crap and illegal. The MLB rule says step to the base (pitcher fails to step "directly" toward a base before throwing to that base) you are throwing to. It ain't that freakin tough.

When might we see a memo from the NCAA for the left-handers to step (directly) to the base, not the crapola Leiter does, and change the 45 foot rule. And they teach that walk to the bag stuff right after the throw, to also to make it harder to tell the distance gap between the two feet, when the right foot lands to much towards home, and try to convince you they are stepping to the base. Heck the left hander already has the absolutely tremendous advantage of facing the runner, unlike the right hander who has his back turned.

When might we see the spin move receive more attention.

[Jimurray]

Is there a 45 foot rule in NCAA?

[Senor Azul]

Don't know about a 45-foot rule but there is something about a 45 degree step ahead of a pickoff throw. From the 2016 BRD (section 420, p. 281):

NCAA:  The pitcher must step within a 45º-angle measured from the pivot foot to the base where the throw (first or third) will go. (9-1a-6)

[Jimurray]

19 hours ago, Senor Azul said:

Don't know about a 45-foot rule but there is something about a 45 degree step ahead of a pickoff throw. From the 2016 BRD (section 420, p. 281):

 

NCAA:  The pitcher must step within a 45º-angle measured from the pivot foot to the base where the throw (first or third) will go. (9-1a-6)

 

I would assume the 45 foot point in the running lane would be a rough (geometry geeks need not comment) approximation of a 45 degree angle from the pitchers plate and/or pivot foot and that was what @dumbdumb was referencing. What would @dumbdumb change in the rule? No matter where the foot lands you can still balk a pitcher for his habitual move toward home and not delivering.

[dumbdumb]

1 hour ago, Jimurray said:

I would assume the 45 foot point in the running lane would be a rough (geometry geeks need not comment) approximation of a 45 degree angle from the pitchers plate and/or pivot foot and that was what @dumbdumb was referencing. What would @dumbdumb change in the rule? No matter where the foot lands you can still balk a pitcher for his habitual move toward home and not delivering.

 

I would make them step directly to first like the first sentence of 9-1a6 without a need for the 2nd sentence. if you really needed an example---stepping 'directly' towards first is just like the pitcher from the set position, stepping directly toward home with the free foot.

And yes, that would be the same example given for OBR  or MLB. It isn't but that is what I would do IMHO. Very simple rule with the first line of the first sentence in both NCAA and Pro.

[Jimurray]

Awaiting your rules rewrite. But in the interim, balk a no step by your judgement or balk a habitual move to home that was not completed.