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  1. Great job by Luis Garcia HOU pitcher tonight, Sat., 10/22/21. I only ask because a year ago I encountered a bunch of NCAA anal sycophants literally enforcing a new NCAA rule regarding the pitcher's steps. Would any of you literally enforce the OBR rule of one step forward and one backsword for this sideways pitcher considering that forward would be toward 3B for this sideways pitcher. Would you enforce it for a square windup pitcher? This is a rhetorical question.
  2. It can happen in my neck of the woods in HS. Most of the time they both know who's coming and want ones strike zone. They don't get to decide who has plate. WE do. Close knit group, we know our partner is lights out, I mean he really is great and I'm just good. He gets plate. It goes both ways. Most games we both nail everything. Rare occurrence is PU has a bad night. But regarding MLB, wouldn't they have the best evaluating tools, training and improving tools to take one of their umpires from poor performing to better performing? Or do they just say you sucked? Based on my pilot training experiences most student pilots would improve with instruction but a few would not respond well to that instruction. So is MLB giving remedial training to the guys that are substandard if they have a substandard grade level?
  3. Your bolded is referring to the order of a forced and non forced appeal. That order matters if it adds up to 3 outs. It doesn’t matter for two or more forced base appeals.
  4. I would have to ask @Senor Azul to check his latest BRD to see if Carl Childress communicated with Wendelstedt after we had a thread here in which Carl disagreed with the WRIM interp. I have a hazy recollection that Carl may have changed his "Appeals, Order of" to reflect the WRIM interp in some later BRDs. For sure in 2011 Carl cites PBUC, circa 2000, that forced order of appeals matter. So there have been changes to the interp over time but I'm going with the WRIM 2013 interp and I won't be springing for a new book. I would suggest @TOMUIC spring for the latest WRIM and see what it says. It's a good purchase anyway and will enhance your rules knowledge.
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    I caught some video and it was not the occurrence I glimpsed. Not a good night for Laz.
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    You might be talking about the same thing I caught out of the corner of my eye, not totally focused on the game. 8th inning I think, I was thinking what was that. But no replay. You are not wrong. A throw is not required. But the reason for no throw should be hindrance as opposed to no play. Video would help.
  7. @SH0102 is correct for NCAA/OBR but FED is different on an end of game appeal and an appeal can take place until the umpires have left the field of play.
  8. NCAA only requires relaxed action appeals in the “correct” order: “Exception—No runner can be forced out if a runner who follows in the batting order is put out first� However, if a runner is put out during live action, it does not remove the force on any runners who might subsequently be declared out for a running infraction�”
  9. FED does not have any definitive interp/case play that supports the “correct” order of appeals for two forced runners.
  10. The order in which appeals can be important but all of the above do not address two forced base appeals.
  11. That would be true in NCAA. But what higher standard in NCAA would you apply if one appeal was given under live action while the scout in the dugout was yelling to appeal 2B and then they did?
  12. I agree with you for OBR and NCAA. They differ. FED is up for grabs. There is no conclusive ruling for FED. Basically in OBR if the force existed at the time of the miss it is a forced base appeal. The order of appeals in OBR only matters if a non force and a forced appeal add up to the 3rd out.
  13. At our level we don't give time for any little thing and if an adult league wants to emulate MLB with time after every play we enthuse them but not before looking around to ensure relaxed action. Who asked for time when R1 noticed 2B uncovered and Gibson gave it without a clue? Non starter as BOS won with next at bat but sht could have happened unless I didn't see the whole sequence of who asked for time or even if it was asked for.
  14. We will have to see if that approved ruling always existed for a thrown ball or if it was added at some point due to perceived unfairness. Calling @Senor Azul, was this always in the ball thrown out of play rule: "APPROVED RULING: If all runners, including the batterrunner, have advanced at least one base when an infielder makes a wild throw on the first play after the pitch, the award shall be governed by the position of the runners when the wild throw was made."
  15. Would adding the timing verbiage from a throw going out of play to this rule complicate things? “If the batter and all base runners……”
  16. It was intentional. But drifting to to screen a throw doesn’t get called. To call intent it seems you need a more overt action such as an arm move or lean into the ball as it approaches.
  17. I like that situational awareness but at our levels we keep that ball in play. But no harm in whipping that replacement ball back to F1 if F2 is still tracking the out of play foul ball. Even my lob speeds up the game. I find myself only vocalizing corner pitches. But big league guys do and don't vocalize pitches. My take is to let new guys know, being trained by a uncertified shade tree umpire, that either technique might work for you. Take your pick.
  18. Didn't I reach that conclusion above after viewing @johnnyg08s post? But on another note there was no balk for stepping off while coming set which happens in MLB. I think his hands already being together when he stepped off allowed the umps to forgo calling a balk.
  19. Yes, upon further review F1 stepped off.
  20. Randy Arozarena steals home in ALDS Game 1 (mlb.com) I think I have CI in NCAA and FED but there is JR OBR cite that when the batter abandons there is no CI. But did the catcher miss getting a strike 3 call by catching the pitch early? It looks like it might have been a strike if received normally.
  21. You still need a throw to be interfered with. Some of us probably corrected CCS in the comments but they never admit to or correct errors in their posts, most of which are worthwhile but they have that fatal flaw of not correcting errors.
  22. I don't know where you got this cite from but you and/or they did not further read the Note 1. in the rule. OR you and they ascribe to a weird NFHS Arbiter training video which I questioned here:
  23. On a clean catch and out it would not be called at any level, HS, NCAA or OBR. My point in the OP is that MLB runners continue to defy the odds and take a chance of being in violation.
  24. They go to replay which rules R1 touched 2B after overrunning 2B. Where was the appeal that generated the replay?
  25. It would have should have happened. Luckily not needed. And been called, no called, right or wrong thought out this and previous seasons.
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