Jimurray

I think @beerguy55 would add the bolded to your post

I have secure possession and an out except for NCAA. I'm not doing your homework for you.

Was he "forced" to return to 2B? Otherwise he makes his own basepath and does not need to retouch but even if forced back to 2B your OP did not pass 3B.

Since you mentioned “all others” , OBR has “don’t do that” for some violations that have no penalty. Taking the set with hands together is one. Jeff Nelson had another where he told the pitcher to have one hand at his side. Pitcher gave him some backtalk and was ejected. That is the procedure for a don’t do that. Warn and eject if not complied with. When this happened most thought he was preventing having to call a balk. No MLB ump would coach a pitcher to avoid a balk. The opposing manager would not be happy.

So Carapazza's first call was right, as was my thought in my original OP until I got wrapped around the axle. NY then told him 2B was right but it was because Diaz had reached 1B and gets 2B because of one base after the possession?

Legal since 2019.

Initial call by Carapazza is "It is a 2 base award from the time of the pitch" They go to NY for a RULE review. NY comes back and I can't quote the exact wording but Carapazza says "The call on the field is confirmed. The runner goes to 2B. It is a one base award from the time of the possession" (sounded like possession but could have been deflection) "he had reached first base gets one more base, second base." MLB will be along shortly with an explanation.

Of course, if you have a catch, the batter is not a runner. But why wouldn’t this apply? If a fielder has complete possession of a batted or thrown ball and subse- quently deflects or kicks the ball out of play, the award is two bases from the position of the runners at the time the ball was kicked or deflected.

Enough video on my MLB.com. Coach sends him to 2B and he jinks and looks that way, definitely an attempt at that point, coach then says something and Phan looks back at him while coach grabs his hand. Phan aborts and hustles back to 1B while F3 tags him on the way. I have two things missed there. I probably would miss them also, looking at where the ball went, even though my Plate would have that responsibility. But I don't know if a review was possible on coach assist or failure to return at once but it appears nobody questioned it. They did question a runner INT on the same play as F5 held up to let R2 by and F6 fielded the dribbler. I have F6 as protected and F5 not guilty of OBS. So also did the crew.

The touch means nothing but did the coach signal to go to 2B, change his mind, and did he grab Pham's hand to keep him from going to 2B? Coach assist?

You have to lose your helmet to be called out.

Catch and Carry in this case would probably award 1B as far as I can tell from the clips.

@HumblePie wanted a FED cite so 2-28-3 will clear that up for him and @BigBlue4u. (b) would be legal. "ART. 3 . . . Time of the pitch is when the pitcher has committed himself to delivering the pitch to the batter. For the windup position, the “time of the pitch” occurs when the pitcher, (a) first starts any movement of his arm(s) or leg(s) after stepping onto the pitcher’s plate with his hands already together in front of his body; (b) with both hands at his side, first starts any movement with both arms or leg(s) prior to the pitch; (c) with either hand in front of the body and the other hand at his side, after bringing his hands together, first starts any movement of his arm(s) or leg(s) prior to the pitch. For the set position, the “time of the pitch” occurs the instant the pitcher, after coming to a complete and discernible stop, starts any movement with arm(s) and/or leg(s) that commits him to pitch." Fed does have a slight difference in TOP when both arms come together, even without any other motion to deliver. This is ignored by some of us.

You would be wrong for Pro/OBR and literally over-umpiring for FED. From the MLBUM: "23. WINDUP POSITION Rule 5.07(a)(1): Pitchers assume the windup position in one of three ways: (1) Facing the batter, hands together, pivot foot in contact with the rubber, other foot free. This is the “traditional” windup position. From this position(hands together), any natural movement associated with his delivery of the ball to the batter commits the pitcher to pitch without interruption. (2) Facing the batter, hands apart (usually at the side), pivot foot in contact with the rubber, other foot free. From this windup position, the pitcher goes directly into his delivery to the batter. If the pitcher uses this windup position (hands at side), the first movement of his hands or arms or feet that is associated with his delivery commits the pitcher to pitch. (3) Facing the batter, hands apart, pivot foot in contact with the rubber, other foot free. From this position (hands apart), the pitcher receives the sign from the catcher and then brings his hands together in a stationary position (“pause”) before beginning the delivery. Once the pitcher’s hands are together, the pitcher is in the “traditional” windup position. If a pitcher uses this windup position, the act of bringing his arms up and positioning his hands in front of his body shall not be construed as the start of his actual delivery UNLESS some other action is initiated by another part of his body simultaneously and is associated with the actual delivery. Any of the three positions described above is considered a legal windup position, and from such windup position (regardless of whether the pitcher’s hands are together or apart), the pitcher may: (1) deliver the ball to the batter, or (2) step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick off a runner, or (3) disengage the rubber by stepping back with his pivot foot first. (Disengaging the rubber by stepping back with his free foot first is a balk when runners are on base regardless of whether the pitcher’s hands are together or apart.) From any of the three types of windup positions referred to in this section, the pitcher may step and throw to a base in an attempt to pick off a runner (i.e., the pitcher is not required first to step off). Although this is not frequently seen, it is legal provided the pitcher does not make any motion associated with his delivery to the batter before the pitcher throws to the base.Play: Bases loaded, pitcher in windup position. Before making any motion associated with his delivery of the pitch to the batter, the pitcher turns, steps, and throws to second (or to first or to third) in one continuous motion in an attempt to pick off the runner. Ruling: Legal move. TO CLARIFY: (1) If the pitcher’s hands are held together in front of his body in a stationary position before the pitcher delivers to the batter, the preliminary action of bringing his hands together is not interpreted as the start of the actual windup or delivery to the batter. If, however, this preliminary action is accompanied by any other natural movement that is associated with the delivery to the batter, then the pitcher is committed to pitch without altering or interrupting his delivery once such motion is initiated. (2) If a pitcher does not assume a stationary, hands-together position prior to initiating his actual delivery, any natural movement associated with the start of their delivery commits the pitcher to pitch. From the windup position, the pitcher may not go into a set or stretch position—if he does so, it is a balk when runners are on base. In the windup position, the pitcher must have both feet squarely on the ground. In 2006, the Official Playing Rules Committee made a number of changes to the Windup Position. Those changes took effect at the Major League level in 2007. The changes allow a pitcher to have only a portion of his pivot foot, rather than the entire foot, in contact with the rubber. Furthermore, in the windup position, a pitcher is allowed to have his free foot at either side of the rubber, in front of the rubber, on the rubber, or behind the rubber, and to step to either side of the rubber—all of which are commonly accepted current practices. Previous editions of the Official Baseball Rules prohibited this. Under the rules adopted in 2007, (a) Only a portion of the pitcher’s pivot foot must be in contact with the rubber (no longer “entire pivot foot”). This applies to both windup and set positions. Under the new rules, pitchers may pitch “off the end” of the rubber, as long as any part of the pivot foot is in contact with the rubber. (b) In the windup position, the pitcher’s free foot may be on the rubber, in front of the rubber, to the side of the rubber, or behind the rubber. (c) In the windup position, the pitcher is permitted to step to the side during his delivery (previously prohibited)."

I don't think this was a Catch and Carry and I could see taking 13 minutes to figure it out. I'm thinking it's a 2 base award TOP unless you think the fielder did it intentionally. MLB Umpires Need 13 Minutes To Figure Out What Base A Runner Belongs On (msn.com) Update after watching MLB.com I kicked it and NY kicked the explanation but they got it right. It's covered in MLBUM under deflected balls. Two bases time of deflection. Diaz had not reached 1B when the fielder went out of play. But the 13 minutes can be justified as it's a point not covered in the rules and you have to extend the "deflected balls" interp in the MLBUM.

I'm going to have to use my MLB.com account to watch this occurrence. From the CCS post I see O'Nora flinch, start to give a foul tip swipe, then point with his right hand, which could be a strike, or him asking U1 if the batter went, albeit with what most of us would consider the wrong arm. But the crew would know O'Nora's idiosyncrasies and maybe U1 was correct in signaling back. Upon further review, after the flinch, start of foul tip mechanic, point to U1 we hear O'Nora verbally tell the dugout he had a foul ball. Which would not explain why he didn't signal it and asked if the batter went.

I think @Kevin_K was hinting that the proper cite would be 2-39.

Can somebody explain Wendelstedt's positioning on the last strike. 2:00 onward in the Jomboy Youtube. I think I would be more in the wide open slot.

That would not be right as the batter would then be laying on the dirt. You NCAA guys who paraphrase rules crack me up.

I was surprised to hear "dead ball" from the PU on a HBP in a past College World Series.

You can't take the "dead ball" out of an ex player. You can even kneel and pray for it at a clinic and they will still say it in a game. I have even heard it from a PU in the CWS. You also can't take the "foul ball" out of an ex player. Live with it. But if we are going into minutiae, how many of you signal time and then point foul which is not necessary. The history, from Jim Evans, was the AL signaled time and the NL signaled with a foul point. When they merged they signaled both, time and then a point. How many of you do both when the point is not needed?

I don't find forced as a synonym of required but we know what they mean and I don't think they are going to revise the wording on my account.

The rule technically would apply to no baserunner ever. No one is ever "forced" to return.

But when you become intimately familiar with the codes you find unfortunate wording that connects 1B to a force. There is also wording that has a runner returning to tag as being forced.

Touching the rubber may not be engaged with the rubber. It happens when the pitcher addresses the rubber to get in the windup or set and we don't consider them engaged until we judge them to be "comfortable". As to straddling, I never have focused on the gap between the pivot foot and the rubber if the pitcher has stepped off or is in the process of engaging.