Jimurray

I have an untouched batted ball going through or by F3 with F4 having a play on it. R1 out for INT, BR to 1B. I’m guessing they had F4 with no play.

And the DC accepted the call as I posted earlier. Since he teaches to target the fielder in a rundown to get OBS he thinks the call is correct. Do you teach that also but advise subtlety? MLB players have gotten away with subtle moves.

Doesn't your rule book have this right under 5-1-1-j? "EXCEPTION: Infield-fly rule (2-19)" They did forget to put that exception in one year way back in the 2000s.

Yes he does and you tell him as @BLWizzRanger did. You do not appease coaches.

No, the force was removed when the batter was tagged out before touching 1B. If you had an ump there should have been an out signal for the tag out and no signal when the pitcher touched HP.

There is no “ catch” of a throw. NCAA wants the throw secured throughout the tag and body motion afterward and mentions “voluntary release”. The other codes want only secure possession during the tag and have interps that would have an out for the OP and other opinions that would have the OP safe. Note the “simultaneous or immediate” criteria for dropping the ball in @the short umpire’s cite.

You should do your thing and @BLWizzRanger can do his thing.

In a previous life as a T-ball dad I don't remember who put the ball on the T but I never saw it fall off. Later as an umpire I would very rarely fill in for T-ball but would when they had problematic coaches. I don't remember who put the ball on the T but it wasn't me. Aside, back then, three years of T-ball with no umps and lost every game, at least as we could figure out since both teams celebrated. Fast forward to first year minors. We were Apaches vs Aztecs. Game ends. Apache parents in stands looking back and forth at each other with a questioning look. "We won?" Times change.

We have to have an answer to @noumpere's question. The OP seems to be a judgment call which I don't think can be reversed. If we change it to 2 outs or R1, R3 in the OP then "what happens, happens" according to the BRD where all three codes require the teams to know it's not an IFF.

Seattle manager came out and asked. He bought whatever the PU was selling. Before the pitch clock a hand up made the ball dead in all three codes. Like you say, we don't what it means with the pitch clock. PU had his hand up while pitcher was not even looking or on the rubber so it probably has to do with clock.

It should be pre-gamed but even if it isn't pre-gamed it's a standard mechanic which we expect no need to get together unless you don't trust the training your partner got.

I think it’s a mechanic not a rule. I commented the same on the YouTube video. CCS usually gets it right but when they don’t they rarely admit error.

The rule is the throw or tag has to beat the runner but I doubt you will ever get grief or a protest.

So what has to happen first at 1B for the runner to be called safe or out?

If the hands were still moving as the front foot stopped, we really don't have a stop balk yet. That wouldn't violate the NCAA wording if he stepped off "while" that was happening but I suspect there and in MLB it would look like a start stop. Given that in OBR that procedural violation has an unofficial balk while it's part of the same sentence wording that is a do not do that violation it seems MLB grabs that balk when some of us wouldn't. Perhaps the real violation is they think stopping the set feints the runner.

OBR resolved that issue. FED and NCAA have not.

They did pan to Boone at some point after the motion and he was deadpan.

It doesn't imply anything but it allows you to infer certain restrictions. FED considers the Japanese windup illegal while OBR and NCAA don't. OBR allows Cueto, Stroman and others to alter/interrupt up to a limit. NCAA, at least from what I can glean from Randy Bruns interps, does not like any kicking motion of the free leg during delivery. " "to me it's just poor pitching mechanics that likely would lead to lots of balks... ~Dawg" Usually, the windup is without runners but I have seen no balks when that windup is used with runners. I did see some Taiwanese pitchers in the 18U PONY WS who definitely did not have poor pitching mechanics using that delivery.

And all can be deflected or "possessed". But how can a possessed ball be deflected?

Me neither as I have them disengaging WHILE coming set. We don't know what "this" is in the OP. MLB umpires usually see it as stopping coming set and then disengaging. I don't have time to extract clips but it's only 14 minutes with one or two balks while disengaging.

If he didn't step off would you have a start stop balk on this 'beginning' which might be a twitch?

There are 2 "start stop" balks. One is stopping the motion to pitch listed in the balk section. The other is not complying with my bolded part of 5.07(a)(2) which has no penalty listed but has been balked as common practice according to Jim Evans: "Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 5.07(a)(2) without interruption and in one continuous motion." Note that one hand at his side is a "do not do that" but stopping coming set is a balk. Yes we allow all sorts of fidgets and stutter steps in coming set but a complete stop that fails to go on to the set is a balk. I have seen MLB pitchers balked when stepping off where I would not judge a start stop but the MLB PU did. If you are not happy with Evans cite of "common practice" you can call stopping coming set as an illegal feint.

Not unless you know of a change coming in 2025. It would be nice if they allowed gray or white piping.

Wouldn't that be a start-stop?

There is no prohibition against disengaging while coming set but it usually is perceived as a "start stop" balk. "Begins to pick up the front leg" would probably be perceived as a start stop.