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  1. 2020 NFHS Case Book 2.32.2 Situation B: R3 is on third base and R1 is on first base with no outs. A ground ball is hit to F6, who throws to F4 at second base. R1 slides out of the base path in an attempt to prevent F4 from turning the double play. RULING: Since R1 did not slide directly into second base, R1 is declared out, as well as the batter-runner. R3 returns to third base, the base occupied at the time of the pitch. 2020 NFHS 8.4.2 Situation O: R1 is on first base. B2 hits a one-hopper to F5 who throws to F4 at second base for the force out of R1. R1 slides illegally into second base. RULING: R1 is out, as well as B2, because of R1’s interference (illegal slide on force play). The ball is dead immediately and runners return to their bases occupied at the time of the pitch and no runs can score. 2020 NFHS 8.4.2 Situation P: R3 is on third and R1 is on first with no outs. B3 hits a ground ball to F4 who throws to F6 to force R1. R1 slides illegally, contacts F6 and interference is called by the umpire. RULING: R1 is out. B3 is out, and R3 is returned to third. Also see case book plays 2.32. Situation D, 8.4.2 Situation D and E.
  2. OBR rule 5.05(a)(2) Comment tells us what to do when a batter does not run after an uncaught third strike. I already mentioned rule 9.09(b)(7) which tells us about a batter who does not advance after being awarded first base. Other than that I think you are correct, Jake. The Jaksa/Roder rules interpretation manual coined the term desertion to describe the situation where a batter-runner gives up his right to advance to first. Here’s what it says in the 2017 edition of the J/R on page 50— By rule, a batter-runner cannot be out for abandoning before touching (or passing) first base. However, there may be instances wherein a batter-runner aborts an advance toward first base before touching (or passing) it. This is herein called “desertion.” Both the MiLBUM and the MLBUM state when a runner abandons his advance that it creates a time play not a force. The 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual states (p. 59): “Umpires must be alert to time-play situations when a runner abandons his effort to touch the next base…” But it does offer this as well: “A base runner being called out for abandoning his effort to touch the next base does not change a force play to a tag or time play on any other runner(s). Even though an out is called, the ball remains in play in regard to any other runner.”
  3. Here’s my (educated?) guess as to why a runner declared out for abandonment is not considered to be a force out—there is another kind of out. Most of the time it is very obvious which fielder gets credit for a putout—the one who caught the fly ball, or the one who tagged a base, or the one who tagged a batter or runner. But sometimes it is not so obvious where to give credit for a putout when a batter or a runner is called out for a technicality—a rule violation on the part of a batter or runner. OBR rule 9.00, The Official Scorer rule, refers to these technical outs as automatic putouts. 2019 OBR rule 9.09(b) The Official Scorer shall credit an automatic putout to the catcher when a: (7) batter is called out for refusing to touch first base after receiving a base on balls, after being hit by a pitch or after a catcher’s interference; or (8) runner is called out for refusing to advance from third base to home plate.
  4. I found the following interpretation from Rich Marazzi at baseballrulesacademy.com. It is about a catch made by George Springer of the Astros in a game played against the Brewers at Miller Park on September 4, 2019, when Springer made a leaping catch to rob Ryan Braun and end the fifth inning. It is similar to our OP in that the fielder fell backward and landed on his back side and was hurt—he then discarded his glove with the ball inside it. Video does exist if someone can find it and post it here that would be great. Here is an excerpt from Marazzi’s analysis that might help us here… If the ball fell out of his glove the moment he made contact with the ground, it would be ruled no catch. The same would be true if the ball in glove became detached as a result of hitting the ground. But I think he intentionally flicked the ball and glove from his hand after hitting the ground. Therefore, the ground did not cause the ball and glove to be detached. If a batted ball is gloved airborne by a fielder, but the glove/ball combination is ripped off the fielder’s hand and drops to the ground with ball still in glove, it is no catch. If the fielder falls to the ground and is incapacitated with ball in glove still on his hand, the ball would still be in flight and the closest fielder should pull the ball out of his glove to legalize the catch. The ball would still be in flight because it never touched the ground, a wall, a foreign object, an umpire or an opposing player.
  5. Mr. lawump, I have also wondered why the NCAA does not have a case book. I think I may have found a reason why they don’t. The following interpretation is found in the 2016 BRD in the front matter on page 8— Official Interpretation: Paronto: If no NCAA rule or interpretation exists to cover the situation, the umpire should adopt the OBR rule or interpretation. (e-mail to Childress, 8/4/15) It goes on to say that the same interpretation appeared in the previous BRD (2015) but from a different rules interpreter. I know that Mr. Richvee has a copy of that edition and that he has mad skills using it so perhaps he can tell us who that previous rules interpreter is. In addition, the study guide Mr. lawump mentioned (written by George Demetriou) states in its Introduction pretty much the same thing— “There are a few situations in which the NCAA baseball rules do not address a specific situation. The NCAA has an understanding that for any situation not covered by its rules, the Official Baseball Rules or interpretations applies.” A pretty cheap and simple solution to not having your own case book, don’t you think?
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    Mr. beerguy55, that bit of text you cited is from the OBR not the FED. And while it is true that the pitching rubber is considered to be a foreign (or unnatural) object, it is over fair territory not foul territory. FED rule 2-16-1 that Mr. noumpere cited addresses the batted ball over foul territory. Even though the FED rule does not specifically cover the situation of a batted ball hitting the rubber as the OBR definition does, it can be arrived at using just the current language of the FED rule. Assuming a batted ball is not yet fair or foul and it strikes a foreign object over fair territory remains live, and is determined fair or foul based on the other conditions of the definition of fair/foul. The foul pole above the top of the fence is considered to be over fair (not foul) and dead ball territory, so a batted ball that strikes it is both fair and dead. To sum up--all bases, the pitcher’s plate, and the foul poles are all unnatural objects but they are all over fair territory.
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    From a very recent FED case book, the 2020 edition—I think option C answers your question and supports the answer given to you by the TASO software: 2.5.1 Situation E: The batter hits the ball, drops the bat and it unintentionally hits the ball a second time in (a) fair territory and is either touched by a fielder and/or comes to rest in fair territory; (b) foul territory and is either touched by a fielder and/or comes to rest in either fair or foul territory; or (c) fair territory and is either touched by a fielder and/or comes to rest in foul territory. RULING: In (a), the ball is fair. In (b) and (c), the ball is foul.
  8. I think a better designation would be the first batter just as the rule book calls him in 2019 OBR rule 5.04: (3) The first batter in each inning after the first inning shall be the player whose name follows that of the last player who legally completed his time at bat in the preceding inning. And Little League uses the same terminology in its rule 1.08: NOTE 2: Only the first batter of each half-inning will be permitted outside the dugout between half-innings in Tee Ball, Minor League, or Little League (Major) Division. Another thing to consider is on deck refers to being next in line to bat which is conditional. Being first batter guarantees the plate appearance. Being on deck only guarantees the batter will get a chance to bat in the inning if there are fewer than two outs, and the number of outs plus the number of baserunners (including the one at bat) adds up to fewer than three because a double or triple play could occur. Additionally, the manager reserves the right to pull the on-deck hitter for a substitute at his discretion.
  9. How does our non-call at home affect appeal vs R abandoning, if neither side is aware of the missed touch of home? The following text is from the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.44, p. 60): “On a play at the plate, should the runner miss home plate and the fielder miss the tag on the runner, the umpire shall make no signal on the play…the runner must then be tagged if he attempts to return to the plate, if he continues on his way to the bench, the defense may make an appeal…” The defense is required to recognize that the plate has been missed. So, if the NCAA is anything like the pros the non-call at the plate would have no effect on the defense’s right to appeal. It does not matter whether the umpire’s act of not making a call signifies to the defensive team that the runner failed to touch the plate for purposes of an appeal play. Also, it is not considered abandonment—the runner passed the plate and his run would count unless there is an appeal.
  10. From the 2018 NCAA Baseball Guide: The NCAA Baseball Rules Committee approved an experimental rule for 2018 that permits the Southeastern Conference (SEC) to test coach-to-catcher electronic communication in an effort to speed up pitch-calling. The SEC will report back to the Baseball Rules Committee on whether the direct communication reduces the time consumed by the pitch-calling process. That process can be slow as teams relay pitch information to the catcher, often in the form of a numerical code. Then, the catcher looks at a wristband to decipher what pitch is being called. Finally, the catcher signals to the pitcher. The experimental rule only allows communication between one coach and the catcher, and like the experimental video review rules, only permits their use in 2018 SEC regular season games and the 2018 SEC tournament games. It will not be permitted during nonconference games or in the NCAA championships.
  11. USSSA baseball is played using Official Baseball Rules (OBR). And according to the 2016 Baseball Rules Differences by Carl Childress there is no OBR rule or interpretation that covers your question about players out of the dugout during dead ball situations. All three codes do have a rule or an interpretation telling us that a batter cannot warm up anywhere near the catcher during warmup pitches from his pitcher. There are, however, a couple of case plays from high school showing that their players are allowed out of the dugout during at least a couple of dead ball situations-- 2020 NFHS Case Book play 3.3.1 Situation BBB: Between innings, the non-playing players of Team A run in foul territory toward the outfield fence to stay loose. The coach of Team B protests that this is not legal and is delaying the contest. RULING: The coach of Team B is incorrect. It is legal provided this activity does not delay the start of the next half-inning. 2020 NFHS play 3.3.1 SITUATION AAA: A player from Team A (who has been previously warned) hits a 3-run home run out of the field of play and wins the game by one run. The teammates of Team A rush out of the dugout and excitedly cheer for their teammate.The coach from Team B wants the players' violation of the rule to be the second violation and have the game forfeited to Team B because Team A failed to comply with the previous warning. RULING: Incorrect interpretation. By rule, no one should be out of the dugout/bench area or bullpen if not a batter, runner, on-deck batter, in the coach's box or one of the nine players on defense during a live ball. The home run is an exciting element in the game of baseball. Since the ball is dead, the teammates of the batter are permitted to be out of the dugout to celebrate. However, precautions should be taken not to interfere with the umpire's ability to see the batter touch all the bases. In fact, the players should be behind the umpire until the runner scores.
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    NCAA Test

    Mr. Richvee, I think the key to answering your question is the timing of the notification—i.e., it came between innings. Once again, I cannot tell you categorically but here’s why I think the answer is option C—it’s how the pros do it. From the 2013 Wendelstedt Rules Interpretation Manual (section 4.4.3.a, p. 44): If the offensive manager informs you that he is making a substitution, the player is immediately in the game. If the manager informs you between innings that a substitute will pinch-hit for a player in the lineup, the substitute has entered the game. The manager cannot change his mind later without making another substitution if circumstances change before the hitter comes to bat. And the official interpretation by Paronto you cited is also in the 2016 BRD. If you keep using the BRD as effectively as you did in this case it won’t be long before Mr. maven has to acknowledge your “mad” BRD skills.
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    NCAA Test

    Mr. zoops, the following NCAA rule should help you eliminate one other option. Since Mr. Sandpaper helped you eliminate two of the choices he was twice as helpful as I was but together we got you to the right answer. 2019-2020 NCAA rule 7 SECTION 11. A batter is out when: h. A third strike is not caught, provided a runner occupies first base and there is not more than one out; Note: If, while attempting to advance to first base, the batter-runner intentionally deflects the ball, the batter-runner is declared out, the ball is dead and all runners return. If, the batter-runner unintentionally deflects the ball with 2 outs, the ball is alive and in play. With less than 2 outs and first base occupied, the ball is dead and all runners return, unless the runner(s) are stealing on the pitch. *** And, Mr. Biscuit, the answer to your OBR question can be found in 2019 OBR rule 6.01(a)(1) and its associated Comment.
  14. Hallo, AndyG, do you work any games for the Paderborn Untouchables in the Bundesliga? And do you work your games at Der Ahorn-Ballpark? I love the names of the teams in the league such as Dohren Wild Farmers, Hamburg Stealers, Bremen Dockers, and my personal favorite the Wesseling Vermins. I cannot find any list of German baseball words—could you tell us a few German baseball words such as safe/out, fair/foul, inning, und so weiter. I love German music. Here are some of my favorites (do you like any of these?). Annett Louisan, Helene Fischer, Juliane Werding, Bettina Wegner, Anna Loos (of the band Silly), Nina Hagen, Connie Kreitmeier, Peter Maffay, Rammstein, Eisbrecher, Oomph, and my favorite name for a band Die Toten Hosen.
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    White sleeves

    I had managed to forget all about that horrible weekend until now. So, thanks for reminding me of those infamous monochromatic uniforms, Mr. Richvee. To answer your question about who had the final say, I cannot state categorically. But there is a great article in Wikipedia titled Players Weekend that gives us a pretty good clue. Here is an excerpt from that article-- The league did prohibit the use of white as a color for the batting gloves, wristbands, and compression sleeves, since it might interfere with umpires' ability to judge a play. For 2019, MLB mandated that all uniforms and caps be either all-white or all-black, with the home team getting the first choice of color and the visiting team wearing the other color option. Batting helmets would be either matte-black or matte-white, depending on the color the team has chosen. The one exception to the monochromatic uniform look was the pitcher on the "white" team, who wore a black cap with his white jersey and pants in order not to obstruct hitters from seeing the ball... Even though the special weekend is supposed to be a cooperative venture between the MLB and the players union (the MLBPA), it would seem the league does have final say in this matter. And here’s further evidence of that when the Cubs tried to defy the edicts of the league-- The Cubs eschewed the idea altogether, with the entire team wearing their standard blue caps while on the field. The Chicago Cubs let MLB know their dissatisfaction with the uniforms by wearing their traditional royal blue caps on the first day of Players Weekend. However, MLB let the Cubs know they did not approve of this decision, and the team wore the designated white caps the rest of the weekend.
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