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  1. Here’s what the 2016 BRD (section 237, p. 158) says about crowd control— FED: The umpire may eject a spectator(s). (5-2-1c) 2019 NFHS rule 5 SECTION 2 SUSPENSION OF PLAY ART. 1 . . . “Time” shall be called by the umpire and play is suspended when: c. a player, bench personnel or spectator is ordered from the grounds, or a player is ordered to secure protective equipment; Note: BRD recommends: Direct the home game administrator or someone from the host team to take care of any disruptive fans. NCAA: The onus for crowd control rests on the home team athletic di
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    Appeal plays

    When does the appeal opportunity end? The answer to the question actually appears in the rule book (OBR rule 5.09c) and a timeout is not one of the ways the defense loses its right to appeal. In fact, a common way an appeal is made is after a timeout the pitcher steps on the rubber and the umpire makes the ball live and then the pitcher steps off the rubber and throws to a base to make an appeal. An appeal must be made before a pitch, play or attempted play, or before the pitcher and all infielders leave the infield (and the catcher has cleared the dirt circle) when a half-inning or the g
  3. I found a treatise titled History of Umpiring by Larry Gerlach on the website stevetheump.com. It says that the AL first used gray slacks in 1968-- …The American League's adoption of gray slacks in 1968 and maroon blazers in 1971 was part of an effort to project a distinctive "sporty" image, as was the case later when umpires in both leagues began wearing numerals on their sleeves and baseball caps with letters designating league affiliation… And as nearly everything else there seems to be an evolution. Here are a couple excerpts from the wikipedia entry for Umpire (baseball)— I
  4. At first I, too, thought the plate umpire committed a major mistake in calling the play the way he did. But after checking the rule book it seems he may not have been so wrong after all. Here’s what I think is the relevant rule-- 2019-2020 NCAA rule 8 When Runners Are Out SECTION 5. A runner is out when: c. Any runner after reaching a base safely who leaves the base path heading for his dugout or his defensive position, believing that there is no further play, if the umpire judges the act of the runner to be considered abandoning his efforts to run the bases. Even though an out
  5. Well, it just so happens I have the 2014 PBUC—which I believe is the last edition under that name. The next year it became the Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual. And you are partially right. The 2014 PBUC (section 6.15, p. 64) does refer to an interpretation about a batter-runner who lingers at the plate after an uncaught third strike. By the way, that section is titled ABANDONING BASE PATHS. Here is what it says about the batter-runner who lingers— “Under the Casebook Comment to Official Baseball Rule 6.09(b), a batter who strikes out on third strike not caught is treated differe
  6. Mr. Jimurray, you may be right about the reason for the rule change but I don’t think so. Here’s why. The 2006 OBR rule book lists more than 20 changes for the 2006 season. One of those changes reads— Added experimental pace-of-game rule for National Association play (Rule 6.02(d)). Of the 20+ new rules listed that is the only one that says anything about the pace of play. Rule 6.02(d) was added to the Official Baseball Rules. This experimental rule was in effect for all National Association leagues in 2005. There were no changes in any aspect or wording of the experimental rule from
  7. Apparently, when a batter-runner is considered to have abandoned his right to run after an uncaught strike three had not been much of an issue in the majors until 1976 when they first discussed it in the rule book. At first it was just a Note/Comment for OBR rule 6.09(b). It was moved to the rule book proper as a subparagraph to 6.09(b) in 1978. The current rule declaring a batter-runner out when he leaves the dirt circle is now designated 5.05(a)(2) and has only been in the book since 2006. 5.05 When the Batter Becomes a Runner (a) The batter becomes a runner when: (2) The thi
  8. Each of the umpire manuals has some kind of definition of the term catch and each one makes an effort to explain the concepts of voluntary release and act of throwing. But they’re all slightly different—let’s start with the MLBUM and the MiLBUM manuals-- From the 2015 MLBUM (paragraph 65, p. 80) and the same text can be found in the 2018 MiLBUM (p. 135): The umpire should find that a legal catch has occurred pursuant to Definitions of Terms, “Catch,” or valid force out or tag has occurred pursuant to Definitions of Terms, “Tag,” if the fielder had complete control over the ball in hi
  9. The Definitions of Terms in the OBR is no longer rule 2—in the 2019 edition the definitions start on page 144 following rule 9. It’s more of an appendix now even though it is not listed as an appendix in the table of contents. The change in placement for the definitions was made in the 2015 edition from rule 2 to the back of the book. Both FED and NCAA still put their definitions in rule 2 of their respective books. And it was indeed Mr. LRZ who first recommended in this thread that the definitions is a good starting point.
  10. but I've not seen anything barring a batter or runner from visually interfering with a fielder. Under high school rules if the runner’s action prevents a play involving the screened fielder it is illegal— 2019 NFHS Case Book Play 8.4.2 Situation F: In the opinion of the umpire, R1, when leading off first base, moves up to the front of the baseline, thus effectively screening F3 from the ball on F1’s attempted pickoff. Ruling: R1 shall be called out for interference. Comment: If this is not ruled to be interference, the runner gains an advantage not intended by the rule. This maneu
  11. Of course a batter cannot do that. He would be interfering with the catcher’s fielding of the pitch. And the bit of text that Mr. Jimurray mentioned is found in 2019 OBR rule 6.03(a)(3)— (a) A batter is out for illegal action when: (3) He interferes with the catcher’s fielding or throwing by stepping out of the batter’s box or making any other movement that hinders the catcher’s play at home base. The 2017 Jaksa/Roder manual (p. 97) says this about batter interference— It is batter interference if the batter hinders the catcher…by abnormal or extraordinary movement inside
  12. Well, Mr. noumpere, I have to compliment you on your consistency. This is the third time you have posted your support of the so-called circle play. You were also equally consistent in that you have only presented your opinion and no evidence to support it. And, of course, I disagree with your stated opinion in all three cases. Here are your previous posts-- From 10/29/20 While OBS is a possible ruling, it's not likely in the usual "circle play" where F6 is just moving from (near) second back to (near) his normal position and happens to pass in front of R2 while doing so, even if F1
  13. As you are wont to say, Mr. maven, “c’mon, man!” What case play are you citing? I already cited the only two I could find in the 2019 FED case book. A proper citation allows us, the readers, to be able to find the case play and read it. You just left us hanging. And what do you mean when you say the mystery case play tells us the pitcher cannot return? To pitching in that particular inning or in the game? Perhaps you are thinking of the case play that I already posted and you just didn’t read it?
  14. Here’s something else for you to consider, Mr. DCM. The “asshattery” by the shortstop is probably a coach-called play that is designed to block the runner’s view of the pitcher and the ball. All they need to get is a split-second advantage and it increases the likelihood of a successful pickoff—it is also illegal. Both OBR and NCAA codes have rules against this kind of asshattery. I originally posted the following in July 2019— From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 6.17, p. 98): Play 12: With a runner on first base, the first baseman—rather than holding the runn
  15. Here’s how the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual explains OBR rule 5.10(d) Comment— Under the Casebook Comment to Official Baseball Rule 5.10(d), a pitcher may change to a defensive position other than pitcher only once an inning. In other words, a pitcher may change to another defensive position and then return to the mound during the same inning, but after so doing he may not leave the mound again in that inning (unless, of course, he is removed from the game). If such pitcher returns to the mound during the same inning, he is allowed the usual eight (or as many or few complying
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