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  1. No need to see any video if the pitch was as you describe it in the dirt because this situation is actually covered in the rule book. The applicable scorekeeping rules are found in rule 9 of the Official Baseball Rules (OBR) and high school rules 9-5 and 9-6-1. 2019 OBR rule 9.12(f) The Official Scorer shall not charge an error when a runner or runners advance as the result of a passed ball, a wild pitch or a balk. 2019 OBR Rule 9.13(a) The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball is so high, so wide or so low that the catcher does not stop and control the ball by ordinary effort, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. The Official Scorer shall charge a pitcher with a wild pitch when a legally delivered ball touches the ground or home plate before reaching the catcher and is not handled by the catcher, thereby permitting a runner or runners to advance. When the third strike is a wild pitch, permitting the batter to reach first base, the Official Scorer shall score a strikeout and a wild pitch.
  2. To our guest, Stolf—I think you raised some very good questions. Unfortunately, I cannot find any definitive answers to your questions. Apparently, though, the current scorekeeping apps have incorporated the tiebreaker into their programming so I would recommend that you ask one of the leading apps such as GameChanger how their programming compiles stats from games that end in a tiebreaker. One such app called CBS StatCrew Software at STATCREW.COM says the following at its FAQ webpage-- Regarding the scoring for the international tiebreaker, if this runner scores, the run is automatically scored as team unearned by TASBS, so the run does not affect the pitcher's earned run average. There are no other ramifications to this pitcher's ERA by scoring the play this way, so we suggest letting the software handle it... I also found the following article from the newspaper The Wichita Eagle by Jeffrey Lutz dated June 14, 2015, when he wrote about an American Association game between the Wichita Wingnuts and Lincoln Saltdogs. I hope you find this helpful-- On the list of ways the American Association’s new tiebreaker rule can impact a baseball game, Sunday’s result was relatively tame. Technically, the rule could cause a pitcher who completed a perfect game to earn a loss, and it could swing a playoff series in favor of a team with one fast runner. All it did on Sunday was turn a scoreless game into an offensive outburst, nullifying nearly spotless starting pitching as Lincoln scored four runs in the 11th to beat the Wingnuts 4-2 at Lawrence-Dumont Stadium. The rule, adopted from international baseball, states that the batter who made the last out of the 10th inning starts the 11th on second base. It affects strategy on both sides and could tamper with individual statistics in ways that can be difficult to explain. For example, Lincoln catcher Ryan Wiggins, who began the top of the 11th in scoring position, was credited with a run even though he never actually reached base safely, going 0 for 4 with a pair of strikeouts… It would take an extreme case, but a pitcher could lose a game without ever allowing a baserunner. The runner from second could be advanced on a sacrifice bunt and be driven in with a sacrifice fly. The run wouldn’t be charged to the pitcher, but he would take the ultimate hard-luck loss. We are not all rude and sarcastic to our guests. If you have any future questions you can always address them to me and I would be happy to try to answer them. I also would love to hear about your research about the 1887 baseball season.
  3. In an earlier post Mr. maven said the following, “A collision between runner and fielder on a batted ball is always something, never nothing.” Mr. maven, I urge you to consider amending that statement because as it is written it is wrong. I can think of at least one major exception—a catcher trying to field a batted ball that remains in the vicinity of home plate collides with the batter-runner. That’s right! That play where both players are where they are supposed to be and doing what they are supposed to do. Contact in this situation is considered to be incidental and nearly always is not interference or obstruction. And there is another situation covered in the rule book that may not occur as often but it is an exception to your statement. So, I ask you to do this for the lurkers--think of the plight of the poor, downtrodden lurkers. We must signal our virtue. Right?
  4. The United States Specialty Sports Association (USSSA) offers just about every kind of softball program such as Slow Pitch, Fast Pitch (boys or girls ages 6-18), Senior, and GSL. I mention that because the OP did not specify which set of softball rules his game was played under. To be honest, I am not sure if that makes any difference at all. But each of the levels has its own set of rules. I was able to find a set of rules and a case book for USSSA Fast Pitch online. Here’s the definition of the term obstruction from the 2020 USSSA Fast Pitch softball rule book and two case plays from February 2017 case book. OBSTRUCTION. Obstruction is the act of a defensive team member which hinders a runner or changes the pattern of play or when a catcher or fielder hinders a batter unless the fielder is in possession of the ball or making an initial play on a batted ball. The act may be intentional or unintentional, physical or verbal… SITUATION B: B1 rounds first base on a hit. F3 is in her way, but B1 does not elect to try for second, because the ball was already at second base. Is this obstruction? RULING: Yes. The umpire should call obstruction, but would not advance the runner if, in the umpire’s judgment, the runner would not have reached second base had the obstruction not occurred. (3-43) SITUATION E: B1 collides with F3 when rounding first base after hitting a single (a) with no chance to advance, or (b) while attempting to advance on a hit. RULING: In both (a) and (b), the umpire would call a delayed dead ball when the obstruction occurred. In (a), the umpire would leave the runner at first since she had no chance to advance to second base. In (b), the umpire could award second base if the umpire’s judgment the runner would have reached second base had there been no obstruction. (3-43; 8-13)
  5. 2019 LL RIM rule 7.13 Examples NOTE 1: When an umpire detects a base runner leaving the base too soon, that umpire shall drop a signal flag or handkerchief immediately to indicate the violation. INSTRUCTOR’S COMMENTS: The note indicates “drop a signal flag” to indicate the violation. This shall be done immediately. Do not trust this to memory. It’s tough to sell that a runner left early, if there was no visible verification.
  6. The bit of text about the thrown bat hitting the catcher or his glove is in the 2018 MiLBUM but not in the 2014 PBUC manual and it is not shown as a new interpretation for 2018. Also, the play in the video happened in a game that took place in July 2015. So, if we did discuss it before it likely was nearly five years ago. The HP umpire was Mike Muchlinski with the crew of Wegner, Foster, and Iassogna. As it turned out, the batter, Yadier Molina, hit into an inning-ending double play.
  7. Thank you, Mr. JonnyCat, for explaining that to me. I did miss that portion of the OP. So, we have a what-if scenario instead. OK, here’s what I have for that. From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.37, p. 57) discussing rule 5.09(a)(8) Comment— …If a whole bat is thrown into fair or foul territory and hits a catcher (including the catcher’s glove) and the catcher was attempting to catch a pitch with a runner(s) on base and/or the pitch was a third strike, interference shall be called, whether intentional or not…
  8. What are you guys seeing that would warrant a catcher’s interference call? Here’s what I see— Bottom of the 4th inning, 1 out, R1 and no count on the batter, Yadier Molina. The catcher, Brayan Pena, called for a pitchout then rose up from his crouch and took one step to his right (not forward) to receive the pitch. The batter, Molina, threw his bat at the pitch and actually succeeded in hitting the ball. The pitched ball deflected off the bat and hit the catcher high on his left leg in foul territory. The on-field call was foul ball by the HP umpire, Mike Muchlinski, and I think that was the correct call.
  9. It took me all of five seconds to find the following article titled Explaining the infield fly rule by Andrew Simon (listed as a research analyst for mlb.com) posted May 13, 2019, on the website mlb.com. Here's a relevant excerpt and the link (https://www.mlb.com/news/the-infield-fly-rule-a-history-and-explanation) How it works Some very specific conditions are required for the infield fly rule to go into effect. 1) There must be runners on first and second base, or the bases must be loaded (runners on first, second, and third). 2) There must be no outs or one out in the inning. 3) The batter must hit a fly ball or popup (not a line drive), over fair territory, and in the vicinity of the infield (emphasis added). It is not a requirement that the ball not reach the outfield grass. Rather, the umpire must use his judgment as to whether an infielder -- or the pitcher or catcher -- could make the catch using “ordinary effort.” Mr. Matt, you obviously haven’t consulted with our resident expert on common sense. If the fly ball caught at the warning track is an infield fly ball, when that fielder makes a throw that goes out of play it would be a TOP award since it is a first play by an infielder. What if that amazingly fast shortstop intentionally lets the fly ball drop? Are you still going to rule it an infield fly on a ball that traveled 350 feet? The whole point of the infield fly rule is to protect the runners. How would that be protecting a runner on a batted ball that far away?
  10. Senor Azul

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    From the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual (section 5.35, p. 57): …If, in the umpire’s judgment, there is intent on the part of a baserunner to interfere with a batted ball (fair or foul) by dropping his helmet or bat or by throwing either at the ball, then the runner would be out, the ball dead, and runners would return to last base legally touched…
  11. We have to keep in mind the following disclaimer found in the Foreword of the OBR book and check what our local league wants to do— This code of rules governs the playing of baseball games by professional teams of Major League Baseball and the leagues that are members of the National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues. We recognize that many amateur and non-professional organizations play their games under professional rules and we are happy to make our rules available as widely as possible. It is well to remember that specifications as to fields, equipment, etc., may be modified to meet the needs of each group. Money fines, long-term suspensions and similar penalties imposed by this code are not practicable for amateur groups, but officers and umpires of such organizations should insist on strict observance of all the rules governing the playing of the game… For example, here is how Little League wants to handle this question-- 2019 LL RIM rule 8.02 - The pitcher shall not – (a)(5) deface the ball in any manner; or PENALTY: For violation of any part of Rules 8.02(a)(2) through (6) the umpire shall: Call the pitch a ball and warn the pitcher. If a play occurs on the violation, the manager of the offense may advise the plate umpire of acceptance of the play. (Such election must be made immediately at the end of play.)
  12. 2019 NFHS rule 6 SECTION 2 INFRACTIONS BY PITCHER ART. 1 . . . Illegal acts include: c. rubbing the ball on the glove, clothing or person if the act defaces the ball; PENALTY: For defacing the ball (a-d), the ball is dead immediately. The umpire may eject the pitcher. If such defaced ball is pitched and then detected, it is an illegal pitch… 2019 NFHS rule 2 SECTION 18 ILLEGAL PITCH An illegal pitch is an illegal act committed by the pitcher with no runner on base, which results in a ball being awarded the batter. When an illegal pitch occurs with a runner, or runners, on base, it is ruled a balk. 2019 2020 NCAA rule 9 Pitching Violations SECTION 2. The pitcher shall not: e. Apply any foreign substance or moisture to the ball or to the pitching hand or fingers, or do anything to deface the ball. The pitcher may use bare hands to rub up the ball. PENALTY for e. and f.—Warn the pitcher one time and, upon the second offense, eject the pitcher from the game.
  13. And here is the applicable 2019 OBR rule (6.01a-5). 6.01 Interference, Obstruction, and Catcher Collisions (a) Batter or Runner Interference It is interference by a batter or a runner when: (5) Any batter or runner who has just been put out, or any runner who has just scored, hinders or impedes any following play being made on a runner. Such runner shall be declared out for the interference of his teammate (see Rule 6.01(j));
  14. The voluntary strike is discussed in every OBR interpretation manual I have. It can be found in the 2014 PBUC manual at paragraph 9.9 on page 104…in the 2015 MLB Umpire Manual in paragraph 62 on page 79…in the 2013 Wendelstedt manual on page 17…in the 2010 Jaksa/Roder manual on page 80…the 2018 MiLBUM on page 128…and it can be found in the 2016 BRD on page 72. Here’s what the Wendelstedt manual says about the voluntary strike-- In situations where the batter attempts to check his swing on a pitch that gets away from the catcher, and where the batter could advance on an uncaught third strike, i.e., first base unoccupied or with two outs; it is permissible for the designated base umpire to voluntarily and immediately offer a strike decision when the batter has offered at the pitch, but was initially called a ball by the plate umpire. In order to avoid confusion, and to allow the batter-runner the opportunity to advance, the base umpire will make this decision without waiting for the plate umpire or defensive team to make the request. And here’s what the 2018 Minor League Baseball Umpire Manual says (section 8.7, page 128)— In the situation where the third strike eludes the catcher on a half-swing and the batter-runner is entitled to run to first base, the appeal should be made to the base umpire instantly (without waiting for a request from the defense); but even if the appeal is not instant, the appropriate base umpire should immediately and voluntarily make a call of strike IF the base umpire is going to reverse the plate umpire’s call. This will give the batter the immediate opportunity to run.
  15. Here’s the rule answering Mr. noumpere’s question about whether LL has a dropped third strike rule ("Does LL have a D3k rule? I seem to recall they don't, but maybe it's been changed.") And following is the LL rule about checked swing appeals. 2019 LL RIM rule 6.09 - The batter becomes a runner when- (b) Little League Majors (BASEBALL AND SOFTBALL)/Intermediate (50-70) Division (BASEBALL) Junior/Senior League (BASEBALL/SOFTBALL): the third strike called by the umpire is not caught, providing (1) first base is unoccupied or (2) first base is occupied with two out; (NOTE: A batter forfeits his/her opportunity to advance to first base when he/she enters the dugout or other dead ball area.) INSTRUCTOR’S COMMENTS: Sometimes, the batter will take a few steps toward the dugout or his/her defensive position after the third strike without realizing that he/she can advance to first base. This would be perfectly legal. The batter is not “out of the baseline” or has not “abandoned his/her base” or any other explanation that the opposing manager will give you. 2019 LL RIM rule 9.02 – (a) Any umpire’s decision which involves judgment, such as, but not limited to, whether a batted ball is fair or foul, whether a pitch is a strike or a ball, or whether a runner is safe or out, is final. No player, manager, coach or substitute shall object to any such judgment decisions INSTRUCTOR’S COMMENTS: ➔ Appealing a check swing that has been ruled a ball (asking for the plate umpire to get help from his or her partner) is permitted, and absent an overriding reason should be honored. Appealing a check swing that has been ruled a strike is not permitted.
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