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BalkHawk

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With the Rays and Jays separated by one run early in their game Tuesday night, the Rays' batter attempted to bunt R3 home with a safety squeeze. From there, it appears that PU Marty Foster took a position on 1BX to watch the ball and runner, which were both headed to first near the baseline. F3 fields the ball and delivers to F2 who makes a swipe tag and misses. R3 appears to tag the point of the plate, however Foster's (lack of) action indicates that he saw the runner miss the plate while not being tagged. One can see how from where PU was standing it would be possible to have the view of the plate blocked by the runner.

 

Should the PU anticipate this play and try to clear F2 to his right to watch B/R in order to be closer to 3BX and F2's 'hip pocket'?

 

Are there any special mechanics for this particular play?

 

http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=26919011&source=MLB&gid=2013_05_07_tormlb_tbamlb_1

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BalkHawk
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With the Rays and Jays separated by one run early in their game Tuesday night, the Rays' batter attempted to bunt R3 home with a safety squeeze. From there, it appears that PU Marty Foster took a posi

sdix00
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Holy cow, this is tough.    Optimally, I think: 1BLX to start because PU has F/F, possible Runner's INT, possible swipe tag on the BR before the 45 (basically a LOT of responsibilities) THEN POOF!

mjr_2013
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Announcers need to STFU... He was safe by about the length of a knuckle...   He deserves to be ejected for putting a squeeze on with no outs and two men on in the SECOND INNING anyway.

Haid D' Salaami

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Yes in this play you should go 3blx, or just stay with the catchers Left hip/ glove arm and it will put you in between the runner and the glove and you will see a tag or a no tag.

Richvee

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Tough to say the positioning should be 3BLX because he needs to watch up the 1BL in case F3 decided to make a swipe tag attempt on the BR. Tough call for sure from where he was. The 3BLX camera proves the best position for the call at the plate would have been there. 

 

Looks like he did get the tip of the plate with his fingertips. Gotta love "With inches to spare" and "Safe all night long".  :shakehead:

BalkHawk

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Foster was in the best possible position for a play on B/R or some kind of INT/OBS on the 1st baseline. The play went from there to HP so fast that there was no time to adjust. He would have had to take a less than ideal position to observe the 1st possible play, but no doubt he would have seen the play at home better.

mjr_2013

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Announcers need to STFU... He was safe by about the length of a knuckle...

 

He deserves to be ejected for putting a squeeze on with no outs and two men on in the SECOND INNING anyway.

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dumbdumb

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Yes in this play you should go 3blx, or just stay with the catchers Left hip/ glove arm and it will put you in between the runner and the glove and you will see a tag or a no tag.

Are you not leaving out anything that could happen between home and the 45' line. Who has "many things" that might happen quickly right there at the line for the first 25-40 feet. Would 3BL line the place for any of those things that might happen??? Just asking??? 2 positions at one time is very hard to do.

Straight in leg slides and the catcher completely blocking the plate and not even giving the tip of the plate to the runner, also negates things (like a clear view of everything from 1BL) that can happen.

sdix00

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Holy cow, this is tough. 

 

Optimally, I think:

1BLX to start because PU has F/F, possible Runner's INT, possible swipe tag on the BR before the 45 (basically a LOT of responsibilities)

THEN POOF!, everything changes and PU needs to be psychic and get at least to the PoP, optimally to 3BLX.  I mean, in less than one second he has to decide there are no more responsibilities on 1BLX, see the play develop at home, decide to swing 90º, then actually MOVE to that spot?

 

I have gotten caught on 1BLX more often than I like, but this clip makes me feel better about it. 

 

This is a GREAT clip for us newer guys. 

 

Tough sitch. 

 

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Thunderheads

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Being a self proclaimed hack (...so not throwing stones...)...... and being able to watch this and look at it a few times ....... any armchair umpire ( :)) could say that Foster had time to watch the pretty easy call of 'fair' ...and scoot to the right along w/ the catcher to get a 3blx view ....  but like sdix00 says, ...it all happens so fast!

mstaylor

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He has to go to 1BLE first, then react. At most he gets POP. He also used to guard against a straight in slide to the catcher. There you want to stay put.

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tldavis19

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If you listen closely, Madden calls him on it too. Had it not been for the swiping the hand across the plate gesture, he probably would've stayed in the game. Having said that, I'm getting 3BXL.

Haid D' Salaami

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There is a mechanic that is taught, that on a possible squeeze play the BU will take a F/F outside of the dirt circle... it's a pro mechanic those guys use it.. you can see a bunch of stuff happening from the 3BLX...

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Haid D' Salaami

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Foster was in the best possible position for a play on B/R or some kind of INT/OBS on the 1st baseline. The play went from there to HP so fast that there was no time to adjust. He would have had to take a less than ideal position to observe the 1st possible play, but no doubt he would have seen the play at home better.

I will disagree..

LMSANS

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I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available?  The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate.  When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

BalkHawk

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Foster was in the best possible position for a play on B/R or some kind of INT/OBS on the 1st baseline. The play went from there to HP so fast that there was no time to adjust. He would have had to take a less than ideal position to observe the 1st possible play, but no doubt he would have seen the play at home better.

I will disagree..

I didn't say ideal... Given the allotted time and the runner on 3rd, how would you observe a bunt up the 1st base line?

BalkHawk

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I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available? The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate. When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

:sarcasm:  Should he call 'time' first?  :sarcasm:

 

 

I think its pretty clear he didn't have all the clues, but he had to go on what he saw.

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noumpere

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I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available? The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate. When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

Should he call 'time' first? I think its pretty clear he didn't have all the clues, but he had to go on what he saw.

 

There are other runners so he cant call time.  And what he saw was a miss so he needs to leave it live to play out.  If he just had a delayed call, say until the catcher got up, and then realized it was safe he could make the call then.  After that though and certainly after the tag its probably better at that level to leave the play than to change it -- changing it just because he decided what he saw would lead to problems from the other bench and from the rest of the league for the rest of the season or beyond.

maineump

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I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available? The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate. When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

Should he call 'time' first? I think its pretty clear he didn't have all the clues, but he had to go on what he saw.

 

You can't call time on this play - still had the tag behind the plate (the out call) and runner(s) on.

Tough spot. These guys (overall) do a great job and the number of close calls they get right never get credit - they ALWAYS have replays of one they got wrong. No 'home field', on the road all the time - Kudos to the job they do.

I like the mechanic stated above about the possible squeeze on and BU taking F/F.

In a two man, you would have to go 1bx because there is no help, then try to get to the point of the plate.

 

I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available? The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate. When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

Should he call 'time' first? I think its pretty clear he didn't have all the clues, but he had to go on what he saw.

 

You can't call time on this play - still had the tag behind the plate (the out call) and runner(s) on.

Tough spot. These guys (overall) do a great job and the number of close calls they get right never get credit - they ALWAYS have replays of one they got wrong. No 'home field', on the road all the time - Kudos to the job they do.

I like the mechanic stated above about the possible squeeze on and BU taking F/F.

In a two man, you would have to go 1bx because there is no help, then try to get to the point of the plate.

BalkHawk

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I guess I should have used the 'sarcasm alert', but thanks for making my point for me. There was some evidence, but no time (or 'time') to consider what exactly the evidence meant. It is possible to brush dirt over the corner of the plate without touching it.

dumbdumb

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There is a mechanic that is taught, that on a possible squeeze play the BU will take a F/F outside of the dirt circle... it's a pro mechanic those guys use it.. you can see a bunch of stuff happening from the 3BLX...

 

Interesting. Wish you had mentioned this the first time. Thanks.

BalkHawk

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WHAT'S THE SECRET LESS-THAN-2-OUT-SQUEEZE-FROM-3BLX-MECHANC SIGNAL SALAAMI?!?

the suspense is killing me...

Jimurray

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I'm going to take a slightly different point of view on this...couldn't he use the evidence that is available? The sweep marks in the dirt show the exact line of the slide and covers an inch or so of the plate. When I was watching, that's where my eyes went to.

:sarcasm:  Should he call 'time' first?  :sarcasm:

 

 

I think its pretty clear he didn't have all the clues, but he had to go on what he saw.

He didn't see anything.

Haid D' Salaami

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its just a signal to your partners, kinda of like a making quotations signal... with this your partner or Partners will take the F/F outside the dirt circle so you can get into a good position for the play at the plate.. which pretty much is gonna be 3BLX...

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