My newest one.

[Moe]

I was working the bases in a two-man-system. My partner is the same partner I had in the post "Easy". Anyway, I was standing between 1st and 2nd with a runner at first. The pitcher threw a pickoff to first, I called the runner safe on a very close play. About two pitches after that, the runner broke for second. The throw from the catcher was high and the ball went in to the outfield. The runner broke for third but got caught in a run-down. He ran back and forth for a bit before committing to second. The rnner slid in to second under the tag and I called him safe. Again, the play was very close. The second baseman yelled at me "That's the second fu**en call you missed so far!" So I ejected him. Just like in my last post, my partner was hesitant to agree with my ejection. He said "If you think he should be ejected, it's up to you"

thoughts?

[JaxRolo]

Good toss!

[Dannytheman]

No problem with it from where I stand!

[Stan W.]

The second baseman yelled at me "That's the second fu**en call you missed so far!"

 

 

you really need to ask?................that was a no brainer...so definately a good toss..............and anyone who lets themselves be treated like that and not ejects the offender is nuts........and weak and does none of us a favor..........passing their problems on down to your brothers is wrong....need to handle our own business.....  

[BigUmpire]

The second baseman yelled at me "That's the second fu**en call you missed so far!" you really need to ask?................that was a no brainer...so definately a good toss..............and anyone who lets themselves be treated like that and not ejects the offender is nuts........and weak and does none of us a favor..........passing their problems on down to your brothers is wrong....need to handle our own business.....

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[mstaylor]

Coach, can you get me a new F4, this one is done. 

[grozzly]

Coach, can you get me a new F4, this one is done. 

 

   

 

By the way, is there any topic with the best members' quotes ? 

[jbucks]

I have a question. What if he leaves out the F-bomb? Is that an ejection as well?

[Stan W.]

I have a question. What if he leaves out the F-bomb? Is that an ejection as well?

 

Regardless of the adjective, its personal..............take it in total....second baseman yelled

 

Thats the second Fuc%$n call you missed today..

or

Thats the second call you missed today...

 

Im not taking that .......you may disagree.....

[mstaylor]

Counting is the felony, the language just adds charges. 

[jbucks]

Wow, I can't tell you how many ejections I should have racked up my now if the standard is to throw someone out whenever he says, "That's the second one you've missed today."
 

I mean, if there's a "f******" intensifier in there, then I'd throw him out. But definitely surprised.

[JaxRolo]

Wow, I can't tell you how many ejections I should have racked up my now if the standard is to throw someone out whenever he says, "That's the second one you've missed today."

 

 

 

So you get this often?

[Minnz]

The F Bomb is why I toss.  If he leaves that out I probably keep him in the game.  My rule is cussing with the word "YOU" is auto eject.

[Replacematt]

The F Bomb is why I toss.  If he leaves that out I probably keep him in the game.  My rule is cussing with the word "YOU" is auto eject.

 

:eyeroll:

[zm1283]

Player: "That's the second one you've missed today"

 

Umpire: "Well you won't be around to see the third one....boom"

[mstaylor]

Player: "That's the second one you've missed today"

 

Umpire: "Well you won't be around to see the third one....boom"

It is baseball, three strikes and you're out. 

[Stan W.]

Wow, I can't tell you how many ejections I should have racked up my now if the standard is to throw someone out whenever he says, "That's the second one you've missed today."

 

I mean, if there's a "f******" intensifier in there, then I'd throw him out. But definitely surprised.

 

In the op, it said the second baseman YELLED at him, not said it to him..............saying it to me without the F bomb depending on the level, might get a "thats enough"........you yell either statement , you go.......

Counting is the felony, the language just adds charges. 

 

 

Another MST gem.................

[dumbdumb]

The F Bomb is why I toss.  If he leaves that out I probably keep him in the game.  My rule is cussing with the word "YOU" is auto eject.

Hey Jimmy  "You got to be sh&&&ing me (=you got to be kidding me). That wasn't even close." Just because the word "you" is in there might not be the way to go when considering ejections for all levels. Just from what I have read. Maybe I am wrong.

[Minnz]

 

The F Bomb is why I toss.  If he leaves that out I probably keep him in the game.  My rule is cussing with the word "YOU" is auto eject.

Hey Jimmy  "You got to be sh&&&ing me (=you got to be kidding me). That wasn't even close." Just because the word "you" is in there might not be the way to go when considering ejections for all levels. Just from what I have read. Maybe I am wrong.

 

I would think that example anything but pro could still be easy EJ.  High level college possibly, a lot depends on how much each conference allows cussing at umps.  In HS or below...that is for sure an EJ I say.

[cyclonehokiece]

Youth ball and high school, with or without profanity that is a see you later.

[Texas Manny]

I would not have ejected him. I would have issued him a stern warning: "That's enough out of you. If you can't be respectful, then don't say anything." If he continues to banter, or shows you up with body language, then you can eject him because you gave him the option to shut up or place himself in jeopardy. No one is ejected by an umpire. They eject themselves. (That's how it should work, anyways).

 

Any coach/manager worth his salt would have seen that and come out and asked you what was wrong. I would have then told the coach/manager, that I don't have a beef with players saying something, but with profanity at this age, I will not tolerate it long." If the manager tries to discuss the plays, cut him off and stand firm. Your not discussing the plays. You're dealing with the players actions. I know that they are young players, but they need to learn what they can say and can't say. The player didn't personally attack you with the "F" bomb, so I would have dealt with it in this manner. Quick ejections can earn you a reputation of being a red arse. These types of situations are great opportunities to teach youth from a different perspective when they need guidance the most.

 

All that being said, I wasn't there. I don't know the tempo or the feel of the game, beyond what you described. If there was more grumbling or tension, that may have factored in.

 

Just trying to offer a differing viewpoint without offense meant.

 

Manny

[Moe]

Thanks for the alternative view. All I can say is that I have had problems with this team in the past (I know you're not supposed to have things carry over from one game to another) and I knew at that moment that if I didn't put an end to that, it would keep going. If he left out the swear, I probably would have let him go.

[Texas Manny]

Hello Moe,

 

I completely understand where you are coming from. I too had problems with a particular team and their manager in a semi-professional league. Because I had been to umpire school way back then, he felt it necessary to try and taunt me because he was an ex-minor league player once, and thought it was funny. After awhile, I realized that ejections were only hurting me. I was labeled a red arse. I've come to realize that if a continuing problem existed, it was necessary to look at all sides, including mine, to see what could be changed, done differently, and seek improvement.

 

As an umpire, I feel we are always to take the high road. Never carry a grudge. Never retaliate. Never use an ejection as a weapon. Umpires don't eject. Players and managers eject themselves. I would double check myself. Am I in proper position? Am I always hustling? Am I always prepared? Am I dressed professionally? Do I exert confidence in my posture and demeanor? Am I cordial, but not buddy, buddy? Am I too quick to be sensitive? Am I taking things personally? I would check everything I've done, said, or made mistakes at and try to correct any deficiency. This is not to say you've done all or any of those things.

 

Sometimes, folks are just folks. Some can't forget. Some can't let go of a game ten seasons ago. If those players, or managers try to go the past while arguing the future, have the courage to nip it in the bud. One play, one argument. Be firm, be polite, be patient, and as hard as it may seem, ignore the little sniping, unless it starts to get out of hand. Then you have to do what you have to do.

 

I'm only offering some wisdom from what I remember. I'm not saying you're a bad umpire, or handled it wrong. I've just learned that part of growing and getting better is being totally objective. Only you can be objective towards yourself. If you have any umpires in your association who are strong in handling situations and you have a good relationship with them, talk to them. See what they say. Maybe you can talk to your assigner and have him keep you from that team for awhile. Time does heal wounds.

 

Big kudos for you posting up how you handled your situation and asking for help. That is what being a true professional is all about.

 

Manny

[Moe]

Again, thank you for the tips. As an umpire, I constantly look at my performance and ask myself how I can do things differently. I replay every situation in my head and analyze what I did. To the point that I can't go to sleep right after my games. I think too much about the game that my girlfriend thinks I'm obsessed. I watch so much baseball and analyze every little detail. The problem is with asking more senior people for help, being in a really small league, I am one of the most senior umpires. I rarely have an opportunity to ask a senior umpire and am always giving tips to younger umpires. I think I will send an email to the person who teaches our courses. 

 

 

Thanks

[mstaylor]

At any age counting automatic. Counting with language is really easy. Counting with language and yelled shouldn't even get a coach out of the dugout.