Bases Loaded 2 outs ball hit to outfield

[Guest Ben C]

The other team had bases loaded with two outs. The batter hit the ball into the outfield. The center fielder got the ball and threw out the runner from first at second for a force at second. The runner from third scored before this happened. The umpire ruled that it was a base hit that then to a fielders choice. This means they counted the run. I’m under the impression that no runners can score with two outs and there is a force play made. Does this change when the ball is hit to the outfield without being caught? 

[Replacematt]

You've got it. No run can score if the third out is a force out, no matter the situation.

[Mudisfun]

Umpire used that rule set, MSU, to get this one wrong.

[The Man in Blue]

Why was the umpire keeping the book?  Umpires don't rule on hits, errors, or fielder's choices ... 

[maven]

That umpire seems to know more about scoring than umpiring.

[Lou B]

So what happened after the Protest?

[Senor Azul]

To our guest Ben C, here are the Official Baseball Rules that are applicable to the play you presented.

Definitions of Terms

A FORCE PLAY is a play in which a runner legally loses his right to occupy a base by reason of the batter becoming a runner.

5.09(b) Retiring a Runner

Any runner is out when:

(6) He or the next base is tagged before he touches the next base, after he has been forced to advance by reason of the batter becoming a runner…

***

As for the scorekeeping aspect brought up by your umpire, if a play is made on a runner who was forced to advance when the batter put the ball into play and the play is successful—or it would have been successful but for the commission of an error—the batter does not get credit for a base hit. See OBR rule 9.05(b)(1)…

9.05(b) The Official Scorer shall not credit a base hit when a:

(1) runner is forced out by a batted ball, or would have been forced out except for a fielding error;

[The Man in Blue]

19 hours ago, Lou B said:

So what happened after the Protest?

Congressional hearings?  😁

 

No political stance is being taken with this post.

[JonnyCat]

21 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

No political stance is being taken with this post.

I think you were.

 

Now I'm going to have to issue you a stern condemnation from the House Select Umpire Integrity Committee!

[The Man in Blue]

On 7/13/2022 at 10:52 AM, JonnyCat said:

I think you were.

 

Now I'm going to have to issue you a stern condemnation from the House Select Umpire Integrity Committee!

 

How does that effect my double-secret probation status?

[JonnyCat]

31 minutes ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

How does that effect my double-secret probation status?

Oh, I wish you hadn't brought that up. Now we're going to have to appoint a special prosecutor. It could be a couple of years before we let you umpire again.

[The Man in Blue]

And it should be!  I make a travesty of the game every time I set foot on the field and bring THE UMP SHOW (presented by Crazy Larry’s Used MotorCars, Catering, and Bail Bond Service) to a town near you.

I mean … seriously!  For Jobu’s sake it is god awful when I call a game.  I just let a defensive player touch a base with her hand to get a force out … her HAND!  Not the ball, not her glove, not her foot, her HAND! The offended offensive offender (coach) assured me it was the worst thing he had ever seen.

Don't tell anybody, but I’ve been working under a fake name in some D-level 8u professional leagues south of the border on the weekends.  Interesting leagues … never seen youth leagues with a two-drink minimum.

[BigBlue4u]

On 7/15/2022 at 12:37 PM, The Man in Blue said:

And it should be!  I make a travesty of the game every time I set foot on the field and bring THE UMP SHOW (presented by Crazy Larry’s Used MotorCars, Catering, and Bail Bond Service) to a town near you.

I mean … seriously!  For Jobu’s sake it is god awful when I call a game.  I just let a defensive player touch a base with her hand to get a force out … her HAND!  Not the ball, not her glove, not her foot, her HAND! The offended offensive offender (coach) assured me it was the worst thing he had ever seen.

Don't tell anybody, but I’ve been working under a fake name in some D-level 8u professional leagues south of the border on the weekends.  Interesting leagues … never seen youth leagues with a two-drink minimum.

Here's some news for you and the coach.  You got the call correct.  Read the first sentence of the definition of a tag.

[maven]

24 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said:

Here's some news for you and the coach.  You got the call correct.  Read the first sentence of the definition of a tag.

You seem to be relatively new here, so I would simply like to say: he was being facetious.

[The Man in Blue]

23 hours ago, maven said:

You seem to be relatively new here, so I would simply like to say: he was being facetious.

 

By facetious, I assume you mean "sexy".  I oppose the idea of fascist umpires.  Nobody goes to games to watch fascist umpires.  Sexy umpires, however ... everybody goes to watch sexy umpires.

 

[HokieUmp]

2 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

By facetious, I assume you mean "sexy".  I oppose the idea of fascist umpires.  Nobody goes to games to watch fascist umpires.  Sexy umpires, however ... everybody goes to watch sexy umpires.

 

You must be SO lonely .....

[Guest LouB]

Boy has this gone off topic!

[wolfe_man]

49 minutes ago, Guest LouB said:

Boy has this gone off topic!

LOL

 

[BigBlue4u]

Just now, BigBlue4u said:

 

Here's some more news.  Put quotes around facetious remarks.  Then everybody will know the nature of your comments.

[agdz59]

1 hour ago, BigBlue4u said:

Here's some more news.  Put quotes around facetious remarks.  Then everybody will know the nature of your comments.

Really?

 

 

[The Man in Blue]

I hate to break this out again … 

 

[LRZ]

There is another sports forum that uses blue font to indicate sarcasm. FWIW.

[The Man in Blue]

Oh, really?  That's a neat idea!

[wolfe_man]

8 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

Oh, really?  That's a neat idea!

 

 

 

[834k3r]

How about alternating capital and lower case letters like how the cool kids do it on social media?

ThEy AlWaYs HaVe ThE bEsT iDeAs...

[noumpere]

Isn't everything written by an umpire written in blue font?