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  1. You're right. I think I'm actually worse than that - I think I end up doing both, over time. The safe signal WOULD be the better option. I just know I had a game last Sunday, and I'm *sure* i did a point. I need to work on that - either making sure I'm throwing the wash out, or at least working my memory to remember what I do accurately.
  2. What @MidAmUmpsaid is what I hear at different clinics and training sessions..... Tag = left; obstr = left; balk = right. Of course, when I try and replay in my head what *I've* done on obstruction, I got nothing. I also point even if it's an "That's nothing" deal, just to 'seal the deal.' I tend to use the left hand for that as well, but I throw lefty, so that has an influence. The one thing that ALWAYS happens at camps and clinics, is the "oh, lefty huh?" comment when I give my punch-out. I shoot the right hand forward, and the pull the cord with the left. If that stops any advancement, or keeps me out of a gig, so be it - if I tried that move, or just about any right-centric punch-out, I'd punch myself in the face.
  3. Maybe I'm just lucky, but there have been a number of times where a pitcher TRIED to throw a pitch when I wasn't ready, or fully in my spot, or trying to get my mask back on - but none have ever gotten to the point where they THREW it. Why? Because I simply STOP THEM from doing it. I know that sounds dickish, the way I'm writing that. It's what it is, since it seems fairly obvious. But what I mean is, most of us that umpire have this thing called a voice, and usually, one or more arms. So if I see the young man (and let's be honest - it's generally the younger and/or less experienced players that do this) starting to make his motions behind the plate, I'm putting my hands up and hollering something to get him to stop. I guess "No pitch!" is the favoured way, but I've been known to just say "Hang on!" or "Dude!" in that sitch. I'd love to know how it got to such a point where not only did ANY of the pitcher/catcher/batter combo not realize the ump wasn't there to begin with, but the pitcher went all the way through his set or windup AND delivery and didn't screech to a halt on his own. (But to specifically answer the question: nothing would happen that would count in the game. Pitcher might throw it, batter might hit it, but it means nothing.)
  4. @BabblingBlue68, First thing, Imma get to the heart of the specific situation .... ..... right about there - if not over the tail-part of that last sentence right there - the transcript of this should read "[Umpire tears rotator cuff making EJ motion while saying] You're done, Coach!" If you actually DON'T like him, that's a solid sign you're a good judge of character. Dude's an asshat. But never mind that - he's in the middle of calling you a cheat and making biased calls against him and his team. THAT'S ALL YOU NEED TO HEAR. Get him gone, and make your life pleasant again. It's been addressed - "keeping coaches in the game" is a bad play, for you and those after you, and they won't take it as being nice; they'll ramp up further. And to the post @dumbdumbmade: if this is a "house league," as I call it, then a report of this game should be made to the league leadership. Since you didn't toss him, it's not really an ejection report, but an "incident report" should be done, and frankly, if there's a history of this kind of behaviour from him and/or others, it maybe should be expanded to include that. If you have a "head umpire," perhaps escalate it through him, to get more weight on it. But at the same time, you need to get rid of people as needed on the spot. "Prolonged, personal, or profane" are the generic criteria, and accusations of bias/cheating are easily under the 'personal' category. The ejections you regret are the ones you don't make.
  5. Compared to some places I'm seeing here, I feel kinda guilty putting these numbers up. Last spring in Texas, it was $75 for varsity, $65 for JV - but that was just the game fee part of it. There was also a travel fee that was $15/$30/$45, based on distance. So bare minimum was $90/$80. (I don't remember the mileage tiers, but most of my stuff was near enough that I only hit the $30 tier a few times.) I think there was also a 4th level - for the REALLY long hauls, of which there can be a few in this state - but I was nowhere near that, so I didn't retain that information. Thing is, it's one travel fee, and we're usually sent either for a V/JV pair, or to a district stadium for a pair of V games. But still solid pay. This fall, one of the school districts is doing a MS "season" of a sort - one of the few, if not only, districts in the SA area doing it. They're actually willing to pay $60 plus a $15 travel fee for essentially 1:45 of scrimmage time. No lineup cards, 6 batters or 3 outs, "sub 'em if ya got 'em," coaches take whatever time they need to talk to players, etc. The key word is "casual" - there are gonna be a lot of kids that haven't played before, so it's all about learning and getting familiar. So it will be good money, but might be a slightly painful experience. And for ALL of those levels, school-related? Not ONE solo game.
  6. I guess I'll go full arrogant-dick mode, then. Probably, yes, I am going home. If it's a delayed deal, I'd wait. Otherwise, I'm likely out. Unless some do-gooder wants to step up and take bases, or some jury-rigged version thereof. I take this SH*# seriously, and I don't umpire to half-ass it. I don't need the money, and I'm too crotchety to play a 1-on-30 game with coaches and players - especially adult ball, which for some reason, I feel your reply is coming from. I can hear enough bitching and complaining in a 2-man game, so I'm not inviting that plus *more* to accept a solo assignment. Same with kid ball on a 90-footer. Again: 2 US states, and 2 countries other than the US, and a 90' field has *always* had 2 umpires assigned to it. Even in Australia - the "certified" umpires worked the plate, and the teams provided semi-trained guys to work the bases when their team wasn't playing. But we were never told, "You're on your own, mate. Go get 'em, tiger!" I get your math, and don't dispute your reality. But unless you ALSO tell me "and those guys, having chosen to take games over bros, never bitched about any call, ever, and accepted the massive limitations," which I doubt, then no. I will nope the F*#K out of that. Someone else can be the huckleberry.
  7. Maybe I'm just being an arrogant dick about it, but I'm not working 90' diamonds alone. No. Way. If your league can't afford to pay two umpires for a game, they can't afford to run their league and/or they need to dial the schedule back to the point where they can. Perhaps I've just been lucky, but I'm now in my second state, and two other countries, and I have partners on that size fields. Period. Smaller fields, sure. Big boy ball? All kinds of nope.
  8. Look, man. Players get the money, the women, the fame, the drugs. Throw us a frickin' bone, here.
  9. It's all gonna depend on the partner. Some guys don't want to know, or be told. If I'm not "feeling it" for some reason, I'll outright ask my base guy if I'm killing the pitcher or the batter, depending on my gut tells me. Sometimes they agree, sometimes they say it looks good for the level. I don't ask all that often, but it DOES happen. I've had partners say something unsolicited, too. THAT'S not a good feeling, but I personally would want to know. My opinion? It's good partner behaviour. But you'd have to know your partner well enough to know how he'd take it.
  10. But that's the point @Richvee's making - you ARE NEVER outside. Even with that modified definition of "outside" you just mentioned. You don't start out there; you don't end up out there. It's not "don't stay outside," it's "don't be outside."
  11. I was confused on the number of umpires, until that later exchange. 1. If this was a 90' diamond, you don't go outside the baseline. *I* back up to the edge of the grass. In my experience - and it might not be universal - that allows the players to make/attempt plays in the infield without getting in their way, AND I can get to where I need to make a call. 2. You'd NEVER go out on a fly ball, so you'd just have to do the best you can to get the angle, and be able to check R2 for his tag-up.
  12. *I'd* show up, but I'll have been long gone from central/south Texas by the time they get done. (Working here the last three years has redefined the phrase "real hot" for me. I'll probably wear a parka, my first games in North Carolina.)
  13. Cardinals-Cubs, late in the game, lead run at the plate? Imma go with "no one's lungs are strong enough to get heard" in that situation. I had 2 IFFs this weekend with 14ish year olds, and a smattering of parents, with no other fields around. No one heard, or paid attention, to me, either. At some point, one has to also look at players - who've been playing the game for 15, 20 or more years at this point - and say "you're a nitwit, and you F*#Ked up."
  14. I get all that; I do. I was just answering the question Jimurray asked, based on what I saw on the different camera angles. The out call at 2B led to the ensuing cluster, but an IF is an IF is an IF. (One of Shakespeare's lesser known quotes)
  15. This story shows me the different "head spaces" we occupy. MY initial thoughts were along the lines of how [excrement] somehow hit the fan during the course of the game - either because he blows a call, or someone raises hell because he's related to a player. I even had my in-my-head response ready: "THIS is why you don't talk to the fence." And then it was about the background check thing - something I wasn't remotely thinking about.
  16. Right. Thus my response. You asked "Did Morales wait to signal," I responded that he did not, as he'd had his arm up well before the ball came down. I can't speak to MLB/MiLB proper technique, but MY teaching has been what you described - point and say "infield fly," adding "if fair" if there might be some doubt to the ball's status.
  17. He did not - he was signaling well before the ball landed.
  18. Is that under a separate interpretation? Because the text of the rule says: "If a play is being made on the obstructed runner ... the ball is dead ... (and then talks about awarding runners where they'd be in umpire judgement). But that wording doesn't break down a difference between a safe/out call.
  19. In OBR, the play would be killed on the tag attempt of R1 at 3rd. 6.01(h)(1). So while the subsequent throw into RF might happen - and would be extremely entertaining - it would be irrelevant.
  20. [Two replies deleted - answering strictly from OBR, and then I realized/remembered this was under the FED part of the site.]
  21. I'll offer MY Tale of Woe: When we lived in Australia, we were in a little town called Alice Springs. (Zoom in a touch, then look right in the middle of the continent.) The local baseball league is of a decent size, but not nearly as popular as the various games that all call themselves "football." So none of the different age groups were large, and there just weren't that many qualified umpires. So I ended up calling my younger daughter's games more than once. Until the day I gunned her on a 3rd-strike pitch. The daggers she shot me were astounding. I'm not saying her resulting juvenile delinquency, and later, the relatively early-age pregnancy resulting in my first grandchild (whom I love like no other) was a direct consequence of that 3rd-strike call, but I'm not NOT saying it, either. I sometimes have spotty memories of things in my life, but there is an alarming clarity of that moment in time, even something like 16ish years later. We get along much better, again, now.
  22. Good God, Max! Are you INSANE??!? By 10 years old, all the good PAC-10 and SEC scholarships are gone!! Do you really want MadMaxJr going to a ...... <shudder> Sun Belt Conference school??!??
  23. Throw at his head, repeatedly, just to be on the safe side. ........ Yes, even if it's slowpitch.
  24. HokieUmp


    I think the phrase is .... "Swing the bat, meat."
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