What do ya got?

[wingman3110]

R1, no outs. The pitcher comes set and is just starting to pitch when the batter steps out of the batter's box. Seeing the batter step out, the pitcher stops his delivery to the plate

 

 

Kill it and start over, no harm no foul? Credit a strike to the batter for delay? Any of you going to balk this?

[Thunderheads]

Kill it, ...start over, and tell the batter not to do that again.  In these cases, I tell the pitcher what happened, then tell him when it happens again (in the future) ...pitch it anyhow.

[JaxRolo]

Kill it.

[JonnyCat]

OBR. See rule 6-02b comments. Kill it and start over.

 

FED. Slightly different. See rule 6-2-4(d1) for particulars. If batter steps out with one foot or holds up his hand for time, then kill it and start over. If he steps out with both feet, then you call a strike.(Not sure I would call a strike, but maybe others will weigh in if they have or not.) There are other considerations if he actually throws the pitch, but in your case a pitch was not thrown.

 

Other rule sets, I'm not sure.

[Thunderheads]

OBR. See rule 6-02b comments. Kill it and start over.

 

FED. Slightly different. See rule 6-2-4(d1) for particulars. If batter steps out with one foot or holds up his hand for time, then kill it and start over. If he steps out with both feet, then you call a strike.(Not sure I would call a strike, but maybe others will weigh in if they have or not.) There are other considerations if he actually throws the pitch, but in your case a pitch was not thrown.

 

Other rule sets, I'm not sure.

I agree John ....not calling a strike here because it'll cause too much grief .... (rule or not) ....I'm killing....then warning the batter

[JonnyCat]

 

OBR. See rule 6-02b comments. Kill it and start over.

 

FED. Slightly different. See rule 6-2-4(d1) for particulars. If batter steps out with one foot or holds up his hand for time, then kill it and start over. If he steps out with both feet, then you call a strike.(Not sure I would call a strike, but maybe others will weigh in if they have or not.) There are other considerations if he actually throws the pitch, but in your case a pitch was not thrown.

 

Other rule sets, I'm not sure.

I agree John ....not calling a strike here because it'll cause too much grief .... (rule or not) ....I'm killing....then warning the batter

 

I've never had that particular situation with both feet arise in FED games, and frankly I doubt I would notice if he stepped out with one or both feet and the exact moment the pitcher stopped his delivery. Just kill it and move on. IMO, no need to pick up that end of the stick. I'm with you, Jeff.

[Thunderheads]

 

 

OBR. See rule 6-02b comments. Kill it and start over.

 

FED. Slightly different. See rule 6-2-4(d1) for particulars. If batter steps out with one foot or holds up his hand for time, then kill it and start over. If he steps out with both feet, then you call a strike.(Not sure I would call a strike, but maybe others will weigh in if they have or not.) There are other considerations if he actually throws the pitch, but in your case a pitch was not thrown.

 

Other rule sets, I'm not sure.

I agree John ....not calling a strike here because it'll cause too much grief .... (rule or not) ....I'm killing....then warning the batter

 

I've never had that particular situation with both feet arise in FED games, and frankly I doubt I would notice if he stepped out with one or both feet and the exact moment the pitcher stopped his delivery. Just kill it and move on. IMO, no need to pick up that end of the stick. I'm with you, Jeff.

 

^^^^^^^ yes ..... this sums it up VERY nicely!

[Richvee]

I know the OP says no pitch was thrown and that's been answered. But just to add, If the pitcher did throw, in FED you have a strike no matter where the pitch goes AND a live ball. 

[th3]

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

[johnnyg08]

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

 

Call it a strike no matter where under FED.

 

Call it based on location in OBR/NCAA.  

[Mad Mike]

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

 

No, the batter would have to step out with both feet clearly out of the box in order to get 2 strikes.

 

Remember, a little information can be a dangerous thing. I could say don't be that guy.......but hey, if someone wants to go ahead and call it, let us know how that works out for you and your partner. 

[Richvee]

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

just call the pitch a strike no matter where it goes in FED. If no pitch is thrown, just reset.  Like @Mad Mike and others have said, I'm staying FAR away from calling the "no pitch" strike for the batter stepping out with both feet.

[Umpirechick1]

I would also kill it, and warn the batter.  No, I'm not calling a balk because the rules state that a batter's actions can't cause a balk  I've known some coaches to actually teach this thinking they'll get a balk called and a runner advancing.  Imagine their surprise when that didn't happen. 

[Thunderheads]

 

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

just call the pitch a strike no matter where it goes in FED. If no pitch is thrown, just reset.  Like @Mad Mike and others have said, I'm staying FAR away from calling the "no pitch" strike for the batter stepping out with both feet.

 

I know that this IS correct, and a part of FED rules, ....  however,..... I feel it would open up a $h1t storm....

[johnnyg08]

I guess I have a hard time understanding why we're all so concerned about improperly enforcing a rule.  

 

Why, in the rare chance it would come up, are we so afraid to make this call by rule?  You have 100% rule book support. 

 

Maybe I'm too jaded to care if somebody's feelings get hurt because I properly enforced a rule.  

 

It's not like we're taking his kidney, we're calling two strikes.  If it happens, make the call and move on.  How everybody chooses to respond should not be our concern.

[Thunderheads]

I guess I have a hard time understanding why we're all so concerned about improperly enforcing a rule.  

 

Why, in the rare chance it would come up, are we so afraid to make this call by rule?  You have 100% rule book support. 

 

Maybe I'm too jaded to care if somebody's feelings get hurt because I properly enforced a rule.  

 

It's not like we're taking his kidney, we're calling two strikes.  If it happens, make the call and move on.  How everybody chooses to respond should not be our concern.

For me .........I didn't say I wouldn't call it .........  I said it would probably lead to a $h1tstorm

[maven]

 

 

and 2 strikes if its in the zone?

just call the pitch a strike no matter where it goes in FED. If no pitch is thrown, just reset.  Like @Mad Mike and others have said, I'm staying FAR away from calling the "no pitch" strike for the batter stepping out with both feet.

 

I know that this IS correct, and a part of FED rules, ....  however,..... I feel it would open up a $h1t storm....

 

 

Oh, I don't think THAT's the can of worms. The penalty strike without a pitch (or a second strike for one pitch) is what will have you tossing people.

 

I'm not aware of that strike ever being called, in my area at least. I wouldn't call it, but I have no problem calling the bouncing pitch a strike.

[Just-Call-It]

I wasn't aware you could get a 2nd strike on the pitch. I'd love to read that rule though... reference?

[Thunderheads]

I wasn't aware you could get a 2nd strike on the pitch. I'd love to read that rule though... reference?

see post #4

[Just-Call-It]

 

I wasn't aware you could get a 2nd strike on the pitch. I'd love to read that rule though... reference?

see post #4

 

now i really feel the 5am hour... time to hit the rack.

[noumpere]

I guess I have a hard time understanding why we're all so concerned about improperly enforcing a rule.  

 

Why, in the rare chance it would come up, are we so afraid to make this call by rule?  You have 100% rule book support. 

 

Maybe I'm too jaded to care if somebody's feelings get hurt because I properly enforced a rule.  

 

It's not like we're taking his kidney, we're calling two strikes.  If it happens, make the call and move on.  How everybody chooses to respond should not be our concern.

It's only a second strike if it delays the game.  It never does.

 

And, yes, it's confusing in parts of the book because of some old editing issues.

[MadMax]

Where I see any of this posing a concern is a modified ruleset like LL employs, where there is a hard pitch count limit on the pitcher.

 

So if you (as umpire) kill it before a pitch is delivered, it doesn't go down as a pitch, I got that...

 

So if you kill it (or attempt to) as the ball is being pitched (in flight), and the ball ends up crossing the plate, does it go down as a pitch? Or as a non-pitch?

 

So if you call it a strike regardless of where it was located, because the batter bailed out and stepped out, then I can see this as a means of dissuading the batter to do that again.

 

I'm curious as well as to why/when it would be two strikes called on one pitch?

 

Also, in a related topic, who determines a counted pitch in LL?