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  1. Ok. I emailed our NCAA association‘s interpreter today. He’s also a current D1 SEC umpire, has post seasons under his belt….alright, enough of his qualifications. I’ll start with a little background. our association puts out “you make the call” videos where we answer, then the correct answer is giving later in the week. A few weeks ago, we watched a play where there was a slow roller to f6 who is behind the bag, F4 stretches from the back edge of the base like a first baseman, and it’s a bang bang force play. R1, running full speed, cutting and stepping on the inside corner and continues on to third as one would on a base hit. The umpire calls safe and r1 continues to 3b. He never touched f4. The ruling is this is not a FPSR violation, due to the new exception. Here’s my email to him. Specifically, in our You Make the Call video, that runner is not in violation, as covered under the exception. The question is, does this change if that runner was called out, and ran through standing up? The argument being the exception only applies if a runner is safe. In general, if a runner goes in standing up, and is out, is it 100% automatic he has committed a FPSR violation? In other words, GB to f6, he flips to f4, who catches the ball on the run coming across 2B for an out, and is 5-6 feet to the 3B side of 2B when R1 reaches 2B going in standing up? I would think this would also fall under the exception. Am I wrong? Here’s his reply. ..just because someone does something wrong, doesn't mean there is a violation. There also has to be a hindrance, (or in the case of FPSR, a safety issue). If the runner goes in standing and has zero bearing on the play, he is not guilty of anything I rest my case.
    6 points
  2. 1a) It's not a timing play. 1b) It's not even a time play. 2) It's not a force out. 3) It is, however, the third out being made by the BR before reaching first. So, no run scores.
    5 points
  3. Agreed this is an interesting discussion and thanks for everyone's patience as this didn't add up for me until just now: they are looking at Fielder and Runner similar to how I looked at my daughter going to prom on Saturday: Buffer zone. BIG buffer zone.
    5 points
  4. Batter interference. Batter is out, if it’s not the third out, runner returned to 2B.
    5 points
  5. I know this one has been sitting here a few days, but just to clarify: The umpire should have called "time" - "interference" on the initial hinderance of F6 fielding the ball. Interference is an immediate dead ball, not delayed. Then you have R2 out for interference, BR gets 1B, and R3 back to 3B. Just as @Tborze concluded. However, I think it's worth mentioning that if in the umpires judgement it prevented additional outs from being made, that could change the penalty. That being said, with no force outs available, I'm inclined to agree with no additional outs.
    4 points
  6. I could do Navy so dark it almost looks black with charcoal side panels. Wouldn't take much to tweak that 😀
    4 points
  7. 4 points
  8. Oh, Aaron certainly earned that EJ... His actions over the past several years has earned him a poor reputation and therefore he has lost the benefit of the doubt. You see actions and antics do have consequences. Ever hear of the boy that cried wolf? In Hunter's defense, he said that Boonie is the manager and thus responsible for the bench. In his mind, whether Boone or his bench made the comments, it's Boonie that gets the EJ there. I realize a fan said it, but we can't expect Hunter to know that during the game when he is focused on umpiring. Short version is this.... don't want to get ejected? Then, start being reasonable and workable with the umpires. Once they see you're being reasonable, you can start getting the benefit of the doubt again. But the old "act like a fool, get treated like a fool" applies here.
    4 points
  9. Obligatory...(he said he sleeps when HE wants "without interruptions"...) Championship Sunday... Random Umpire#1: I thought @wolfe_man was on this game today to close camp? Random Umpire#2: Nah, he ain't worked a game the entire week of camp. Random Umpire#1: Wow...so, he's workin' hard in his room on his mechanics and rule book study? Random Umpire#2: Nah...he just told his family he was "going to umpire camp" so he could enjoy a quiet hotel room to himself with the A/C cranked and get caught up on his sleep this week... Random Umpire#1: (thousand yard stare...) That's a pro move right there... Radom Umpire#2: That's Wolfe...always with the pro moves... ~Dawg
    4 points
  10. Agreed. My use of 6' or 10' was meant to imply that the fielder was not in the vicinity of the base. And, yes, in practice, it's easy to tell if F6 moved on his own or to avoid the runner who wasn't sliding. I have no problem giving the benefit of the doubt to the fielder; I have a problem with making it an absolute.
    4 points
  11. I’m Paul Harvey… Good ^Dây^! … … 🧐 Why’d you place R2 on 2B, instead of awarding him 3B?
    4 points
  12. Best advice from a coach ever.
    4 points
  13. I'm about to have an aneurism just reading all that. I really don't even know where to begin because there is NOTHING right in any of this. 1 umpire. 1 coach for one of the teams. No admin. Freshmen. This game should never have been played. You did what you could with the players. When the parents were involved, the direction should not have been "call an admin" but "coach, you ARE the game administrator, take care of it." I know many of you don't agree with me, but we HAVE TO STOP ACCEPTING SOLO ASSIGNMENTS. We have got to start holding schools accountable for having adequate personnel on site. A single coach and no on site administrator is NOT acceptable.
    4 points
  14. You have to specify a play by an infielder in FED and any fielder in OBR/NCAA. I think FED rules as those codes rule with a through or by batted ball. FED doesn't rule as OBR/NCAA with a batted ball that passes not near infielders. OBR/NCAA have a runner hit by a batted ball always out unless the ball went through or by an infielder and no other fielder had a play. In FED with fielders playing in a runner hit by a batted ball behind drawn in infielders, neither of whom had a play, the runner is not called for INT. Thus, I think the string?
    3 points
  15. Please do something interesting with Navy shirts. I think the color of navy looks good on umpires, but for the love of all that is holy I cannot stand these: Please make some good looking Navy shirts that can eventually replace these. I really like the red side panel idea. Whenever I'm forced to walk onto the field with this dorky, ill-fitting shirt I feel like I'm gonna get tomatoes thrown at me.
    3 points
  16. 5.08 How a Team Scores (a)  One run shall be scored each time a runner legally advances to and touches first, second, third and home base before three men are put out to end the inning. EXCEPTION: A run is not scored if the runner advances to home base during a play in which the third out is made (1) by the batter-runner before he touches first base; (2) by any runner being forced out; or (3) by a preceding runner who is declared out because he failed to touch one of the bases. In your play, (a) was satisfied but EXCEPTION (1) existed. It does not matter how the batter-runner was retired. He or first base can be tagged and the exception still exists.
    3 points
  17. I had a similar problem with a JV game this week. F1 kept toe-tapping his front toe and then just barely pausing before coming home. Of course, visiting coach had no issue with it until 5th inning when he wants (needs) a balk called so he could advance a runner. I love the game, but the coach stuff gets old sometimes.
    3 points
  18. Funny thing is that it doesn't work. If it did, he'd be in Cy Young territory which he isn't. Dumb gimmick...and I hate that this stuff trickles down.
    3 points
  19. THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    3 points
  20. Those crazy freshmen. You just never know what they're going to do. Just can't trust them. And at that age Mom and Dad know that MLB and most D1 schools have their top scouts at the game.
    3 points
  21. This is a very interesting view of this, however. Play B, if you look at it ....with f4 taking the throw and coming towards 3rd base, ... if R1 is going in standing up because he sees what's going on, ...isn't he in fact 'veering' / staying away from the fielder? I KNOW WHAT THE RULE SAYS .... but again, I see what @noumpere is presenting here
    3 points
  22. Fixed the post for you - that word is completely irrelevant to this conversation...in fact, most conversations about the umpire. There is no logical reason for you to feel the need to tell us the umpire was female.
    3 points
  23. That's a stupid interp (not directed at you, johnny). There's no "interference" in either, and both has the same "safety concerns" (or lack thereof). The ruling should be the same for both.
    3 points
  24. I like to pre game this.. "Ball stays on the infield, BU has all bases." Agree 1B side gives the better look at the R1 slide, and a much better look at a boundary call on an overthrow to 1B.
    3 points
  25. I get what you're saying, but we give BU both ends of that and hedging on critical action at 1B as more likely than a throw/play into 3B.
    3 points
  26. I get what y'all are saying about the letter of the law in NCAA with the runner going in standing up, but with no play being made and no impact on the fielder's actions, I do not see anything to be called in FED. Those case plays make it evident they are talking about a play being made. 8.4.2(b) includes the language "does not legally slide and causes illegal contact and/or illegally alters the actions of a fielder in the immediate act of making a play . . . " You can say it is a safety rule instead of an interference rule, but when NHFS inherently sees sliding as dangerous (a runner NEVER has to slide), that loses muster when there is no play.
    3 points
  27. Correcting you to clarify for others reading… You cut off the totally superfluous, completely unnecessary billow pad. It was included on the Platinum as a marketing gimmick so as to have a dangling TG – on your Wilson DynaLite Platinum Mask, what else? – bounce instead of go <<< Clack! >>> against the chest plate. You did not affect the integrity or protection of your Platinum CP at all. If anything, you improved the fit of your shirts, and reduced the agitation that a BU partner may experience looking in at you and seeing that stooopid billow pad and yellow “W” on it. 🤨 … at least, this potential BU partner.
    3 points
  28. Randy, I’m saying this kindly, and any ire or animosity you detect is not being directed at you, Randy the umpire, but at any “parent” association and/or Softball itself. Why do you need (still) heather grey??! Because your parent association / assigner is directing you to do so? To maintain some “uniform standard”?? Is that association or assigner providing the uniform items?? No?? Then they’ve got no say as to what specific items / colors / brands / tones / shades you wear, or more importantly… purchase. Associations – and this goes for Softball, too – have to get with the times. Everyone makes this big ta-doo about “looking like Major League Baseball”. All those uniform items are provided. Even in MiLB, those items are purchased under a directed stipend. Even in NCAA baseball, there’s a degree of friction between what the assigners expect, what’s provided (under stipend or otherwise), what the umpires actually purchase and use, and the assignments they receive. But outside that, especially at the amateur level, there is no way they should have that kind of grip and sway over us. It (whatever stylistic template the assigner or association PTB holds) doesn’t matter. Wear charcoal. Wear 3-years faded pants, especially on a 1:30pm JV game at a class 1 school in the middle of nowhere… no one cares. Heather grey umpire pants – that you were directed to purchase yourself – doesn’t mean you’re a better / great / effective umpire. It means that you’re fulfilling the direction (wishes, whims) of some stooges sitting at a desk.
    3 points
  29. I think this is a perfect example of why big field games--regardless of ruleset, but especially FED--should be two-man crews. BU in C would have heard the trash talk between F6 and R2 and told them to knock it off--and I've done that very thing. On the other hand, I thank you for posting this @Mudisfun--it's good to see how things can go south and how others have handled the situation.
    3 points
  30. New from @Razzer's Workshop: The Ump-Life Sunshade! (ChatGPT really is amazing)
    3 points
  31. Apologies. https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/41d7ed95-2333-405e-99a0-397c9ee1c2f6/gif
    2 points
  32. When you're getting sniped...things like this will occur. One way to prevent it...stop sniping the umpire.
    2 points
  33. Thanks for this. I have considered a drive, but that's either leave very early on Thurs morning to get there in time for Camp in the afternoon and arrive mind-dead from the drive... or leave on Wednesday, but then that adds another hotel cost and another day off work. Plus, it's Interstate 70 almost the whole way from here. And with all the truckers on that route, 11 hours is a long drive when you can't just put the cruise on and drive anymore. It's two lane most of the way out there and the trucks keep slowing you down as they take miles to pass another truck it seems. So I've chosen to fly - but I do appreciate you looking into it for me and adding your experience. I have considered just getting an Uber to the Holiday Inn Creekside since it's right at the fields (literally)... but they said there are two sites on the Camp's webpage, so I didn't want to be put in a situation where I needed a car to get to the second location for games and then be dependent on an Uber or bumming off a peer and inconveniencing them when I would have all my gear to take with me. I honestly don't mind spending the $1500 on the trip. From all I've heard over the years, it's well worth it and I'm eagerly looking forward to attending! If I was worried about costs that much, I could always try to talk a local buddy into coming along and sharing costs for hotel & rental car. When I got started umpiring, I did need the extra money. Now, it's more for hobbies, eating out, vacations, etc. so it doesn't hurt me to use the income from my HS season to cover this trip. I thought about it last year, but am ready now to receive more instruction and start looking for the feedback & opportunities to get better and possibly move up to some college baseball. I'd love to meet you face-to-face if you have the time and can make it. It's always good putting names and faces together! Thanks again.
    2 points
  34. “Hey, noob! That shirt looks black!” ”Nah, man. My interpretation is that this is pro-navy in color and style.” Need to take this back to @DerekGDS … why do we need the red? How about navy with grey side panels?
    2 points
  35. It's worse than that, @UmpRandy . . . USA will tell you that you can't wear any heather grey pants if you want to do a state/national tourney; you need their heather grey with the western-cut pockets. I'm sure it is all about umpires matching and not the fact that you can (when I called, anyway) only get them from USA Softball. It is nice to see our local softball bigwigs starting to say "charcoal is fine" in an effort to get guys to cross the line.
    2 points
  36. [as a career-long Catcher] “Whoa. Who ya callin’ “infielder”, bub? I’m not one of them. I start in foul territory, TYVM.”
    2 points
  37. I believe we tend to interpret this rule as in FED 6-1-3 Not quoting here…During any preliminary motions (coming set) the pitcher may feint or throw or step off.
    2 points
  38. Yeah, this didn’t happen in a vacuum. Aaron Boone has starred in many ejection videos during his tenure as manager, and I’m sure he has earned himself the shortest leash possible. Maybe take a lesson from this and re-evaluate how you do business with the umpires. Or don’t, and don’t be surprised when something like this happens.
    2 points
  39. 100% agree. Which is why I admitted I'll be a coward on this one, lol ... I'm not going to take unnecessary heat from teams and association even if every authority beyond that says otherwise.
    2 points
  40. This is not your problem to solve...and it's this viewpoint the decision makers hope you get guilted into making...yeah, those kids deserve better...and their parents can make that decision with their wallets. You have to let people fail...refuse to ump solo and then the teams will turn to volunteers - and when enough volunteer umps either do a really SH*#ty job...or stop volunteering due to the abuse, decisions will be changed. In the end, remember that every day kids are playing baseball without coaches, umpires or parents around and they're doing just fine - they're making the close calls and resolving the conflicts...they're keeping score...and they're having fun.
    2 points
  41. I had a roommate when I went last time. If I go again, I would get my own room because I'm older and crabbier now. 🙂
    2 points
  42. I'll give you my perspective as a coach. 2 and 3 are simply bad. They look bad. They make you look indecisive. They make it look like you don't know what to do when you're out of position....or, you're out of position so often you've developed a routine for it. Make the call you see, or don't see. If I'm coach and I a) know you missed the call and/or b) have an inkling to why you missed the call, I will simply say to you "I think you had a bad angle, do you think you could ask your partner?" I might even ask you if you had a tag or not (ie. is this a missed tag or did the runner beat the tag) Let the coach raise an objection...if nobody complains your call is good...or good enough. If it's blindingly obvious to the coach the runner was out, you'll hear from the coach and then you can decide if you want your partner's help.
    2 points
  43. So are we judging if the defender moved to avoid a runner who didn't fulfill their requirements or if they moved on their own accord? Because the defender had to be at the base to record the out.... right? The runner is in the vicinity of the base, the defender is in the vicinity of the base, we need a slide directly into the base or a slide/run away from the defender. Running directly at the base is neither of those things.
    2 points
  44. It can be a "don't do that" - if there's nothing to hinder there's no INT. Same with ODB picking up a wild pitch for F2.
    2 points
  45. You are only focusing on the interference aspect of the play... This isn't an interference rule, it is a safety rule. If they go into the base standing up and the defender has to move from the base (on their own or not) it is a violation.
    2 points
  46. Uniforms provided. Necessary equipment provided. Insurance provided. Certifications reimbursed. Healthcare provided. Performance reviews that actually have bearing. Assignments / Hours capped. Training tuition reimbursed. Established, documented system for how assignments are made, and why so-and-so – who is an equal employee – is getting assignments different / “better” than yours. … do I keep going?
    2 points
  47. www.midamericanumpireclinic.com Sept 5-8 in Kansas City
    2 points
  48. "Honey, I need to buy some sunblock for my ball bags!" "Are you going to the nude beach again?"
    2 points
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