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  1. Man what a cluster... I suspect that the coach did the substitution in an attempt to disguise the fact that F4 MHTAB...like you said, not allowed, and probably pointless...but keep this in mind...if nobody noticed the MYTAB/BOO happen...defense, scorekeepers, etc, then A5 IS the leadoff batter for the next inning. As far as the lineup cards and scoresheets are concerned (again, if no one noticed) it was A4 who hit into the inning ending double play...so, A5 would be up...and it might raise alarms if A5 both ended the last inning and started this one...so, he subs in A10. But the
  2. beerguy55

    Wrong Ejection

    Protected from what, exactly?
  3. Yeah, otherwise they need to provide official scorekeepers on every game who know the rules as well....I've seen tournaments do this three different ways, and the only option is to clarify with the TD...and a good TD covers this at the ump meeting and the coaches meeting... 1. go by the official rulebook 2. let the play finish (eg. if tie game, bases loaded and a guy hit a triple all three runs would score...in fact, there's nothing for him to lose to try for home) - this also comes up in time limit situations 3. complete the inning so the home team is allowed the same number of
  4. Interesting...I had actually thought he had one of each to cancel each other out.
  5. beerguy55

    Base running

    Or, OP believes the ump is supposed to call it when he sees it instead of waiting for an appeal?? Or, the ump simply called him out for being tagged...the defense believed they were appealing, but the ump is simply calling the dude out for being tagged. Don't advertise that...you'll have coaches appealing missed bases every time a player advances more than one base.
  6. beerguy55

    Base running

    So, in summary... IF he missed first base, and IF the ump saw the miss, and IF it was evident to the umpire that the defense was making an appeal on the missed base, and if that was the third out, the runs would not count. If the ump doesn't see the miss, for whatever reason - be it he was watching one of the other runners, or he actually saw the runner touch the base, or something else - then it's a plain old third out and the runs count if they happened prior.
  7. As long as he's not doing it to avoid a tag (the only time the three foot rule applies) the runner can continue out into the outfield, run around some trees, and then make his way to third base if he wants....as long as he doesn't leave the field of play. The runner establishes his own path, and nobody runs the bases in four straight lines with three 90 degree turns.
  8. As is Obi-Wan - always loved the unintentional irony of that line.
  9. Only a sith speaks in absolutes..."never" is a strong word but I can understand the position...from that part of the field how certain are you really, beyond a coin flip, except on the most blatantly obvious full swing....most check swings are close to 50/50 as they are, in whether the PU is calling a swing, or the ump at first or third base is calling it...the certainty I think drops significantly in the B/C spot...especially if the batter is on the same side of the plate as you. The "safe" call is almost certainly "no he didn't". Otherwise, you may as well just start flipping a coin.
  10. beerguy55

    Missed bag

    I would think so...I'd think that as soon as B/R rounds and misses first there could be a live-ball appeal...and then at the moment it is determined that "Time" is granted it would turn into a dead-ball verbal appeal until the courtesy runner reached the base. (and previous B/R can't correct it once the courtesy runner is declared) For all intents and purposes, even if the ball was thrown to F3 and he touched first during the "dead" period it would somehow at some point become a verbal appeal...if nothing else, at some point if the umps say nothing someone will say "but he missed the base" a
  11. I don't see why not...they either see a swing or don't...now, in practice, especially in softball, where ump on short fields is behind F6 is that guy almost never calls a swing on a right-handed batter...it would have to be blatantly obvious and PU didn't see it because he was blocked. But he can see a swing on a lefty no problem.
  12. If F6 takes the throw, drags his foot, and steps to the right field side of the bag to make the throw (call it 3-5 feet off the base path) then the runner continuing to the base IS in a direction away from the defender.
  13. beerguy55

    4th Out?

    Depends on how quick on the trigger the ump is. FED (I believe?) requires the fielder to enter DBT, but I think OBR is more touchy-feely on it, no? Abandonment could conceivably be called after a few steps...especially if R2 is heading to the first base dugout.
  14. Did F6 not make any attempt because he couldn't, as a result of R1's action (or inaction)? Or did F6 not make any attempt because there was no way on Earth he was getting the second out, not matter what R1 was doing - ie. he was just catching the ball and conceding B/R to first
  15. FIrst...this isn't an "appeal", it's an ask for help. Second...even on appeals you as a ump are required/strongly suggested to use some degree of common sense and/or judgment to determine what the fielder is trying to achieve, and whether through some implied action whether they were obvious enough to their appeal attempt. The appeal must be evident, obvious, apparent and intentional, not accidental...there is no requirement for it to be explicit. There are many times an appeal is implied and is accepted as an appeal. There is no requirement to formally declare in specific language yo
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