At Face Value (Magnesium Masks & Other Things)

[concertman1971]

On 3/6/2025 at 7:28 AM, DerekGDS said:

I don't have the frame at the moment but @MadMax or @concertman1971 might be able to help answer that one.

IMO the frame is a tiny bit narrower. Where this frame excels is in the vision window. I have been a staunch ASMAG guy for the past few years and own 3 different ones. It really took some getting used to though, as the window seemed smaller and it took a while for me to really understand the sightlines. 

Fast forward to the Mirage. The first thing I noticed was the vision. While it may not look like the window is wider, once the mask is on it is apparent that @DerekGDS and @MadMax put thought into this. One of the other features is that a 6 stitch fits under it without touching the front crossbar. I prefer a 4 stitch behind the dish, but there is a certain "NO 4 STITCH HATS ALLOWED" assignor in So Cal. 

[MadMax]

On 3/5/2025 at 9:43 PM, Rock Bottom said:

are the earguards as narrow as they seem, or is the frame wide and the earguards just appear very narrow?

I’m going to blow your mind, @Rock Bottom and @concertman1971… 

I finally got all 3 of my magnesiums in the same room at one time: 

So that’s a (nee Champro, now Champion or Tucci) Rampage, the GerryDavis Mirage12, and an All-Star FM4K Mag. 

• The FM4K Mag is 16.2 oz. 
• The Rampage is 15.4 oz. 
• The Mirage12 is… 11.7 oz. 

Here’s the Rampage and Mirage placed back to back… the Mirage is actually wider, earguard to earguard, by at most 1/4”. 

Three big selling points, other than the magnesium composition, which affords the “no bend”, “no break”, “very lightweight!” benefits: 

1. To Tim’s point – the sightlines, or “vision window” is a lot freer, and less confining. This is because the bar breadth has been minimized by @DerekGDS as safely as possible (tested to and thru 140mph, IIRC). 
2. The Mirage looks the part. As we know all too well, style & appearance matters. Why, who, or how much it matters is an exhausting discussion, but it does. I say this, hand on heart, the FM4K performs the best at Protection Method #1, which is geometric. It just looks quite radical, and for some, that becomes off-putting. The Mirage has that iconic style pedigree, in spades. ♠️ 
3. It has umpires in mind, almost wholly. Who do you think is going to benefit the most from this? ↓ ↓ ↓ 

A properly lengthened XCG, with a rake of no more than 2-3°. 

Bonus Trivia Point! – Why “Mirage12”? There are three wonderful coincidences at play. One is etymological – words, and their meanings. The second is atomic. The third is “whose name is on the door?”.

Anyone got guesses? 

[VABlue]

That's a slick looking mask. Somewhat regretting picking up the Diamond BigLeague little bit ago. How big and thick are the pads going to be on the Mirage12? As I mentioned in my other post that you commented on, I am not a fan of the stock BigLeague pads

[ousafe]

3 hours ago, MadMax said:

“whose name is on the door?”

I'll grab the easy one - Gerry Davis was #12 on the field.

[wolfe_man]

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[834k3r]

4 hours ago, MadMax said:

I finally got all 3 of my magnesiums in the same room at one time: 

So that’s a (nee Champro, now Champion or Tucci) Rampage, the GerryDavis Mirage12, and an All-Star FM4K Mag. 

[wolfe_man]

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[jbenedek]

Any update on when the mirage12 will hit the market? Will there be a presale similar to the D30 chest protectors? 

(Love the new developments going on over at Gerry Davis!)

[DerekGDS]

Limited quantities expected to be available in early-mid April with additional units expected in late April-mid May. It will be frame only. 

There is no presale planned but if there is interest in purchasing one... anyone can email me derek@ and when that product is a few days away from public release I'll send over a pre-order link.

[Rock Bottom]

29 minutes ago, DerekGDS said:

Limited quantities expected to be available in early-mid April with additional units expected in late April-mid May. It will be frame only. 

There is no presale planned but if there is interest in purchasing one... anyone can email me derek@ and when that product is a few days away from public release I'll send over a pre-order link.

Derek@ the Gerry Davis address? Will the All-Star FM4000 magnesium pads fit? Are you going to have Mirage specific pads coming soon?

[DerekGDS]

13 hours ago, Rock Bottom said:

Derek@ the Gerry Davis address

Yes that is correct. Sorry just didn’t want to make it even easier for bots to crawl and spam me.

13 hours ago, Rock Bottom said:

Will the All-Star FM4000 magnesium pads fit?

I do believe so @concertman1971 was using those with the frame. Most pads besides the Belgards should fit.

14 hours ago, Rock Bottom said:

Are you going to have Mirage specific pads coming soon?

Yes - the overall concept is completed but still working through testing the internals.

[concertman1971]

2 hours ago, DerekGDS said:

 

I do believe so @concertman1971 was using those with the frame. Most pads besides the Belgards should fit.

@Rock Bottom Derek is correct. I have been using the ASMAG pads on the GD frame and absolutely love it. 

[834k3r]

4 hours ago, DerekGDS said:

Yes that is correct. Sorry just didn’t want to make it even easier for bots to crawl and spam me.

I do believe so @concertman1971 was using those with the frame. Most pads besides the Belgards should fit.

Yes - the overall concept is completed but still working through testing the internals.

Please, please, please don't go the route of a certain equipment company (rhymes with Leevopeeled) and refuse to sell replacement pads.

[DerekGDS]

28 minutes ago, 834k3r said:

Please, please, please don't go the route of a certain equipment company (rhymes with Leevopeeled) and refuse to sell replacement pads.

We can achieve that low bar and go a few higher with some modularity in the design...

[834k3r]

10 minutes ago, DerekGDS said:

We can achieve that low bar and go a few higher with some modularity in the design...

[MadMax]

On 3/18/2025 at 12:58 PM, 834k3r said:

a certain equipment company (rhymes with Leevopeeled)

Oo! 

goto → https://www.godaddy.com 

goto → Register a New Domain... 

enter → l-e-e-v-o-p-e-e-l-e-d 

select → .com

[umpstu]

9 minutes ago, MadMax said:

Oo! 

goto → https://www.godaddy.com 

goto → Register a New Domain... 

enter → l-e-e-v-o-p-e-e-l-e-d 

select → .com

In the middle of typing a message to Derek inquiring as to what the hell leevopeeled is I figured it out. You can't put anything past, oh shi, shiny object, is that a squirrel?

[boyinr]

I hate every one of you.  😉   I eventually got back down to “only” 4 masks.  Sold 3 this Spring. I am feeling the “need” to add one soon. Please cease and desist.  

Okay. I’m boyinr and I have a problem. 

[834k3r]

13 hours ago, boyinr said:

I hate every one of you.  😉   I eventually got back down to “only” 4 masks.  Sold 3 this Spring. I am feeling the “need” to add one soon. Please cease and desist.  

Okay. I’m boyinr and I have a problem. 

[SeeingEyeDog]

On 3/11/2025 at 1:44 PM, concertman1971 said:

there is a certain "NO 4 STITCH HATS ALLOWED" assignor in So Cal. 

...who is a mope.

I don't know that person is but, that is a sub-optimal take.

~Dawg

[bluetick48]

[bluetick48]

For all the ones that had a hand in designing and making this one happen…

THANK YOU!!!!
 

no stones left unturned!!!

@DerekGDS

@wolfe_man

@MadMax

@concertman1971

 

 

[834k3r]

12 minutes ago, bluetick48 said:

For all the ones that had a hand in designing and making this one happen…

THANK YOU!!!!
 

no stones left unturned!!! 

@DerekGDS

@MadMax

@concertman1971

….sorry if I left anyone out! 

[blue32]

Just used my Mirage for the first time last night. Outstanding product, nice work all!

[UAME]

1 hour ago, bluetick48 said:

For all the ones that had a hand in designing and making this one happen…

THANK YOU!!!!
 

no stones left unturned!!! 

@DerekGDS

@MadMax

@concertman1971

….sorry if I left anyone out! 

 

DITTO THAT!!!

I've worked 2 plates since receiving my Mirage12, and I am blown away!!  Moving (most recently) from the FM4K MAG (and previous to that a DynAlum.)

This is the first mask that I've felt confident in not using a DTG due to the beautifully designed XCG.  Just the slightest tuck of the chin and my mask taps my chest - providing assurance that I am, in fact, protected.  Not having a floppy DTG makes handling/carrying/stowing the mask so much easier and eliminates a few more ounces from an already ultralight package.

The biggest WOW factor is the field of vision!!  I didn't realize how accustomed I had become to the view from behind my FM4K MAG.  I can see better in every direction, hands down.

Thanks to the efforts put into this design, thanks for the open communication on this forum!  Fantastic work to all who had a hand in this!