How to get everyone on board with JV/Varsity double-headers?

[SeeingEyeDog]

Greetings all,

     I had an excellent conversation recently with a partner who officiates 5 sports...baseball, lacrosse, field hockey, basketball and volleyball. Not surprisingly, baseball under FED rules with no time limits pays the worst although my association has announced game fees will increase next season.

     One of the items my partner and I talked about was HS baseball in our area does NOT play JV/Varsity double-headers but, all the other sports he works DO. I understand not every sports official can work 2 games back to back. But, it's an inefficient use of resources to get everyone out to the ballpark for one baseball game, when (assuming the field has functioning lights...) we could play two. You could play the JV game first WITH a time limit, followed by varsity with NO time limit however, current mercy rules would still apply. In our area, lacrosse, field hockey, basketball and volleyball all start their JV games around 5PM and their Varsity games around 7PM and everyone is home no later than 10PM. JV baseball in my area has no playoffs, if they keep standings they don't publish them...it's really just to get them ready for Varsity ball and for umpires to work on The Craft to move up to Varsity as well.

     How could baseball make this happen? I know you guys don't all work in my part of the country but, what are the drawbacks to this plan? Are any of you working HS baseball already with JV/Varsity double-headers? If so, how is that working for everyone (umpires, players, coaches, parents and school administrators). Even if you change the umpire crew under this proposal, isn't it a more efficient use of buses, gas and time? What am I missing? Could this work?

~Dawg 

[SH0102]

Guess it depends on your area, but lights would be , imo, the biggest factor. I umpire NCAA and many fields in the area don’t have lights, even a d1 school, so I can’t imagine many HS have them but could be wrong.

As for umpiring crews, it would help “the shortage” as you need one crew instead of two, the drawback being that the young umpires who need lower level games would be stuck. A varsity level umpire can do both games, a JV level umpire can not. But maybe pool the freshmen and JV umpires on freshman games (helps that shortage at that level) and varsity guys do the DH.

Another drawback is DH pay is usually less than two single games (unit rate) since you aren’t traveling twice , so that may further impact the low pay.

last thought, most work compensation is set by supply and demand. Lax and volleyball prob get more $ bc there are far fewer certified officials in those sports compared to baseball/softball. Basketball usually has a plethora of officials but bball and fb are generally considered the revenue sports so not an equal comparison .  I am not sure setting up games to relieve the supply issue of umpires would do us much, be another reason to keep game fees lower.

Okay, last last thought.  If game fees were bumped 10-20 bucks, would that really make a bunch of people who don’t umpire want to become umpires? Doubtful. Maybe would help sway a couple guys to stick it out longer, but if it’s only about the $, they prob aren’t the best umpires anyways.  I don’t do it for the money, between gas and equipment and time off from work and family, it wouldn’t be worth it. I love the game, love umpiring, love the guys I work with, the ones who have helped me and getting to help others. I love learning about the game, I played my whole life including d1 college and I’m still learning nuances of the rules I never knew. I am willing to take a half day at work to drive 2 hours to do a d3 college dh for $225 or d2 for a bit more because I will come home happy bc I had fun. And now my son, who is 15, has been umpiring for 2 years and has gotten to do some college games with me (fall games) for many teams including two d1 programs, one of which was power 5, and it has helped us bond.  And the brotherhood has helped my son be a better kid. He so wants to impress the assignors who think the world of him, he hasn’t gotten in trouble since umpiring.  

I love umpiring and am thankful for it in my and my sons life. And $80 for two hours of work is $40/hour. Would I love more? Sure. But that’s a heck of a side gig. My sons friends making 10/hour have to work 8 hours for rhat

[Velho]

3 hours ago, SH0102 said:

Guess it depends on your area, but lights would be , imo, the biggest factor. I umpire NCAA and many fields in the area don’t have lights, even a d1 school, so I can’t imagine many HS have them but could be wrong.

This is the key. All those others sports have lights or are short enough duration to end before sunset.

@SH0102 makes solid other points that I think can be worked through (no reason there can't be a mix in of non-Varsity umps in JV game for example).

[JSam21]

10 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

Greetings all,

     I had an excellent conversation recently with a partner who officiates 5 sports...baseball, lacrosse, field hockey, basketball and volleyball. Not surprisingly, baseball under FED rules with no time limits pays the worst although my association has announced game fees will increase next season.

     One of the items my partner and I talked about was HS baseball in our area does NOT play JV/Varsity double-headers but, all the other sports he works DO. I understand not every sports official can work 2 games back to back. But, it's an inefficient use of resources to get everyone out to the ballpark for one baseball game, when (assuming the field has functioning lights...) we could play two. You could play the JV game first WITH a time limit, followed by varsity with NO time limit however, current mercy rules would still apply. In our area, lacrosse, field hockey, basketball and volleyball all start their JV games around 5PM and their Varsity games around 7PM and everyone is home no later than 10PM. JV baseball in my area has no playoffs, if they keep standings they don't publish them...it's really just to get them ready for Varsity ball and for umpires to work on The Craft to move up to Varsity as well.

     How could baseball make this happen? I know you guys don't all work in my part of the country but, what are the drawbacks to this plan? Are any of you working HS baseball already with JV/Varsity double-headers? If so, how is that working for everyone (umpires, players, coaches, parents and school administrators). Even if you change the umpire crew under this proposal, isn't it a more efficient use of buses, gas and time? What am I missing? Could this work?

~Dawg 

JV after the varsity game with as many innings as they can play before dark would be the way to combat the lack of lights. But for me, one of the things that draws/keeps me taking high school games during the week is the ability to work one game and be home before I my kids are in bed. I personally wouldn't want to take a DH for that reason. 

[JonnyCat]

6 hours ago, SH0102 said:

And $80 for two hours of work is $40/hour. Would I love more? Sure. But that’s a heck of a side gig. My sons friends making 10/hour have to work 8 hours for rhat

SH0102, This is not a criticism aimed directly at you. I respect your posts here, and I also think it's really cool that you umpire with your son. I apologize in advance for channeling my inner MadMax.

This is from my perspective as a self employed general contractor in SoCal for the last 31 years. I have bid, worked, and billed thousands of jobs in my career. Some were better than others, but I do have a lot of experience running a small business. This is just my experience. YMMV.

I wish people would stop thinking this way regarding the hourly rate that many of us break down into similar examples that you have. For instance, I get $90.00 for a varsity game that takes about 2 hours, therefore the misconception is I make about $45.00 per hour. That's not the way we should be looking at it, and that mindset contributes to the low pay we're getting. Also, I've heard many times that it's a good gig for a kid that can't otherwise make that kind of money. If it's a good gig for a kid, then it's a lousy one for an adult.

Sure, $40.00 an hour sounds like a good rate. And it would be IF you were an employee, and IF you could work a consistent 40-50 hours per week at that rate. If you were an employee, generally speaking your employer would have a place for you to work, assign tasks, mitigate problems, find a steady stream of work, provide you with the necessary tools and/or equipment to do your job, take care of accounting, payroll, taxes and tax deposits to the Feds and State, pay the overhead (lights, rent/lease/mortgage on buildings and equipment), etc, etc. Do you think the employer that pays $40.00 per hour to his/her employees charges the customer $50.00 per hour for each employee? Heck no, it costs way more than that to run a business. All those things that the employer does costs money, and plenty of it. Again, $40.00 per hour is all fine if you were an employee.

But we're NOT employees. We are in business for ourselves. Effectively we are selling our time, knowledge, and physical ability. We are selling our time as a self employed business. And when selling that time, you need to price it accordingly.

Pricing it accordingly starts with how much a task is worth. Get rid of the mentality that it's an X hourly wage for a 2 hour game. Your time, which is the only thing you're selling, should be thought as, "how much time did this job take away from me?" Your time as a self employed business, should be factored as "portal to portal", or "door to door". That means the time you left your house, to the time you arrived back to your house. For most of us doing a HS game, that could be a 4-5 hour commitment. How much is that block of time worth to you? $80.00? That's not enough. How much is that time you're away and unable to do anything else, worth to you? Factor in the administrative side of that block of time, as well. Do you keep records, pay taxes on that money, maintenance your gear, spend time purchasing more gear, training, provide your own transportation, car maintenance and gas? What is all that worth? If you think of it in blocks of time providing a service, instead of an hourly wage, the $80.00 is for SH*#. What would be an actual fair market price for your time for a HS game. It depends on the cost of living for your area, but in mine, about $250.00 per game would be a fair compensation. Remember, we are not umpires, we are business men and women that provide umpire services.

For example, only because it is current for me, this time of year I have been doing adult baseball. I can work 2 games on Sunday, 2 man, for 85.00 cash per game per umpire. The games are 3 hour ordeals. Conventional thinking is that works out to $28.00 per hour. Regardless, the fees are way too low even with that mindset. But in reality door to door, I'm at a 9-10 hour time commitment for $170.00. That's $17.00 to $18.00 per hour. In any other capacity, I would never work for those wages, I couldn't. $500.00 for a days work as self employed would be a proper compensation. That's what $40.00 to $50.00 per hour should actually look like.

People try to justify it by saying things like, "I enjoy doing it, it's good exercise, blah, blah, blah." So's playing golf, softball, hiking, and a myriad of other hobbies. The point is, if you're getting paid to do something, especially if you're self employed, you need to be properly compensated. And I understand that I'm just as guilty as anyone else for selling myself too cheap. But I do try to educate others and I'm pretty vocal in my area about the SH*#ty pay we get. I try to effect change as best I can, I don't know if it's helping, but we've got to do something. I won't work travel ball any more mostly because of the pay. But there are too many willing to work for poverty wages, and that's the biggest problem.

In my industry, the number one failure of small contractors, is not because they are bad craftsmen, it's because they are lousy businessmen. They simply don't know or understand the economic side of what it takes to run a business. Unfortunately, when a competing contractor doesn't charge enough, it ends up screwing other contractors by driving the expectation of what a particular job actually costs to do. Ultimately that contractor is forced to cut corners, do shoddy work that screws the customer, and more often than not, drives them out of business. Many times these contractors will abandon a job because they are physically loosing money and must take on other jobs to get some money flowing in. They either have to learn to charge accordingly, or go out of business.

I can not show up to a small repair job with the mentality of I want to make $50.00 per hour on this job. If I was there 2 hours working, and collected $100.00 for the call, I'd be out of business in no time. I didn't make $50.00 per hour, I actually lost money as my time and overhead cost way more that that. I need to make a certain amount of money just to keep the doors open. And you need to know what that figure is if you're going to be in business and want to make money. Not just earn a wage, but make money. There is a difference in earning a wage, and making money. Sadly, many in business don't understand this concept. Earning a wage keeps a roof over your head. Making money keeps you in business.

Not charging enough is not sustainable. Sound familiar? Where are all the umpires?

[BLWizzRanger]

I guess we have it a few ways here. The larger schools usually have their own JV scedule that sometimes the opposite of the varsity. A @ B for varsity but B @ A for JV. Some play in complexes with two fields so V plays on one and JV plays on the other.

But we do have some smaller schools play a JV game after the varsity. Most will tell us only 3, 4, or 5 innings max at regular game fees. Somehow these teams have to develop the underclassman and it is their way of doung so.

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[kylehutson]

@JonnyCatYou're right, BUT there are probably very few of us here that are trying to make this a significant portion of our incomes. I have to fill out 3 schedule C's every year (2 for me, 1 for my wife). For my sports officiating, I include all my income (whether I get a 1099 on it or not), and I also include all of my expenses including equipment, professional development, and travel expenses[1]. With all of that, according to the IRS last year, I made A gross of $14300, expenses of $9600, for a net of $4700[2], so in essence for every $3 I received, I really made $1. That goes to your point about being in business vs earning a wage. How many hours did I spend? Ummm... lots? Would I have been better off just working some crappy retail job? Probably not.

$4700 per year is certainly not enough to live on, but it is enough to take my wife on a vacation and take her out to dinner when she wants. It's not nothing.

Point is, it can be a pretty decent side-hustle, and I don't mind taking time off of work (especially since I'm getting paid "vacation time" there, too) to do this, because it's worth it to me. YMMV. On the other hand, I've decided to start refusing high-school sub-varsity, not because I can't make money at it, but because I no longer enjoy it enough to spend my time on it.

[1] And yes, you should all be doing the same. Not only is it the legal and honorable thing to do, it will also help you understand your financial situation.

[2] I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here, just using my own real-life numbers to illustrate a point.

Geez, I re-read that, and I really sound like I'm rambling. Apologies.

[JonnyCat]

48 minutes ago, kylehutson said:

Point is, it can be a pretty decent side-hustle, and I don't mind taking time off of work (especially since I'm getting paid "vacation time" there, too) to do this, because it's worth it to me.

Understood that it is a side hustle, and it probably always will be. But that still doesn't mean we're not charging enough for our services. If you weren't able to use vacation time, and many of us aren't, would you still be umpiring for those wages? Honestly, I lose money every time I leave work early to do games. Of course my boss is a jerk! 

If we want to attract umpires to the craft and retain them, we need to improve the working conditions. You'll get more people with higher pay, and people would be more likely to hang around.

The shortage of umpires is not getting any better, and we as a group are doing literally nothing to change the working conditions. We keep doing the same things over and over. We're not doing anything about the abuse, nor the pay. We keep slogging through the same mud, doing the same things we have for years. What do we expect to happen? 

1 hour ago, kylehutson said:

With all of that, according to the IRS last year, I made A gross of $14300, expenses of $9600, for a net of $4700[2], so in essence for every $3 I received, I really made $1.

How many games did you do last year? I'm guessing about 150, so you'd be netting about $30.00 per game? 2/3rds of your gross pay is going for expenses? Are you paying income tax on that $4700.00?

1 hour ago, kylehutson said:

2] I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest here, just using my own real-life numbers to illustrate a point.

Geez, I re-read that, and I really sound like I'm rambling. Apologies.

No need to apologize. I love the banter and the information. I appreciate the comments.

[JonnyCat]

23 hours ago, SeeingEyeDog said:

One of the items my partner and I talked about was HS baseball in our area does NOT play JV/Varsity double-headers but, all the other sports he works DO.

I guess I should respond to the original question. I apologize for derailing this thread.

Playing DH's would be a better allocation of time and resources. But it would be hard, as another poster mentioned, to allocate that much amount of time in the evenings, especially if one has a full time job. Even if you could do a 2hr time limit for each game, it still would be around a 6 hour commitment for the umpires. Not easy to do on a work and school night.

The other problem is lights. In our area, the vast majority of HS field don't have lights. Our weekday HS games start at usually 3:30pm - 4:00pm. Our schools recently went to a later class start time, so the kids get out of school even later. We used to start some games at 3:00pm, but those days are gone. We start our HS winter-ball season in January, so a 4:00pm start time doesn't give us much daylight early in the year. In fact, other than a couple of HS games at Petco Park, I don't think I've ever done a HS game under the lights, regular or post season.

I'm sure it would work in some areas of the country, but not ours or anywhere else without lights.

[kylehutson]

8 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

If you weren't able to use vacation time, and many of us aren't, would you still be umpiring for those wages? Honestly, I lose money every time I leave work early to do games.

My other side-hustle is very lucrative (IT consulting), and when I'm umpiring I could frequently be making more doing that instead (sometimes there just isn't enough work at any given time), so I think I'm being accurate when I answer your question with "yes, but probably not as much". I do this because it gets me out from behind a desk and using my body rather than my head.

 

8 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

How many games did you do last year? I'm guessing about 150, so you'd be netting about $30.00 per game? 2/3rds of your gross pay is going for expenses?

I honestly didn't keep track. I doubt it was that many. I don't keep track of how much of that is volleyball, how much is high school level baseball, and how much is college level baseball. I just keep a spreadsheet of what I get in and an app to keep track of my expenses. Most of my expenses are mileage. I live in rural Kansas so if I was to limit myself to "close" I wouldn't be working much.

College games pay a lot better, but also require a lot more travel. I might make $300 for a college DH, but lose money after deducting mileage. It's not just officiating, but I typically average about 30k miles/year on my car, so I buy cheap high-mileage fuel-efficient cars that I can run into the ground (even if they're ugly), so when I lose money on mileage I'm not really losing money.

9 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

Are you paying income tax on that $4700.00?

Yessir.

8 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

I guess I should respond to the original question. I apologize for derailing this thread.

Oops. Me too.

Interesting to me that schools elsewhere don't have lights. This year I worked on a total of 2 HS fields that didn't have lights. One of those is a small school that just established their program a few years ago and plays on a field that used to be an elementary school (now closed) playground. The other had their lights taken out by a storm and hadn't had a chance to get them fixed yet.

Every high school game I've worked has been a doubleheader[1], but we don't do JV/V, we do JV/JV or V/V. I know that's not necessarily the case in parts of the state where you get near more urban areas.

College games around here are more likely not to have lights, but they typically start their games at 1:00, regardless.

 

[1] For the sake of accuracy, I've had a couple that were scheduled as doubleheaders, but sometimes JV games will either do a single 9 or sometimes will cancel the 2nd game due to lack of pitchers, etc. Also postseason games aren't doubleheaders, but umpires are still not working a single game.

[The Man in Blue]

When I was growing up, V/JV (or A/B for middle school) was the standard.  JV may not be a full game, but it also wasn't the 3-inning affairs that most are today.  The other thing that was standard when I played was that baseball and softball travelled together and played the same school at the same time.

In Central IL, I do not see (m)any schools doing V + JV (or A + B for middle school) innings for baseball anymore.  Many guys won't do JV baseball games because, well you know, JV 😫.  I don't care about the level as long as the pay is the same.  JV tends to be a lot less stressful on everybody.

That said, I will drop JV baseball for softball any day of the week because softball still plays V/JV so it is more money for about the same time investment.  In those "stacked" schedules, JV usually only gets 3 innings and uses 3 outs, 3 runs, or 9 batters -- so it isn't even a full JV game.

In Illinois, they are recognizing that many umpires quit working middle school baseball because of low pay.  They did up the pay, but the better move made by IESA was implementing a 2-hour time limit on games.  While softball does move faster, they didn't up softball pay as much.  I have found I prefer taking the baseball game and knowing when I will be done.

@SH0102 mentioned the lower rate for the second game "since you aren't travelling twice" ... I have always taken umbrage with that view.  It wasn't until we hit recent "desperation" days that I was ever offered anything for travel (other than a hotel for a tournament weekend).  To pay a lower rate for the second game "because you are already here" is utter bull$#!+.  If you WEREN'T paying me for travel originally, you AREN'T paying me for travel now, so why are you taking money away "for travel?"

I wholly agree with @JonnyCat that we are being paid for the game -- our time, our knowledge, and our physicality.  Like most any other contracted business transaction, my equipment, my training, my travel, my expenses are on me (unless I can negotiate otherwise).  So, to say we should  get paid less because we are already there is total bunk.  To say that we should get paid less for the second game because it is a lower level is equally as ignorant.  To make that really reductionist: Should the burger-flipper make less the second half of his shift because he just making fries?

 

[Velho]

2 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

I wholly agree with @JonnyCat that we are being paid for the game -- our time, our knowledge, and our physicality

There's a story about the Picasso:

A woman asked him to sketch something on a piece of paper. He did and said "that will cost you $10,000". 

The woman was astounded. "$10,000 for 5 minutes of work?"

"No, it took me 40 years to make that in 5 minutes" Picasso replied.

[Mudisfun]

So to add on to some of the comments:

I officiate mainly in Orange County, CA. Most HS fields have no lights on them for baseball. We have wanted to add lights to our LL fields and the costs are well over $150k for the work, not including the engineering and permitting required. Adding lights to a program which typically loses money for schools, and which is going to require way more than $150k due to field size is most likely not going to happen. A few districts have designated a specific school as neutral and have installed lights at that one location, effectively making that one field the home team for all schools in the district. Is it ideal, no. But it was/is an effective solution to getting lights when the costs are do darn high.

Other lighted fields: There are plenty of city parks which have lit fields, and occasionally the local HS's will have the opportunity to play there, so again, occasionally there will be evening or night games. Sadly, many school districts and their city rec departments do not have good relationships, so this option is often never even considered. This really needs to be looked at by the AD's and district people and inroads and relationships established. After all, the students are residents of the city, and the parks are there for the enjoyment of the tax payers who live there, including the students and their families. Seems like an easy fix... but then, City Government...

Sharing umpires for the JV and then V games... with the exception of some very specific schools, all JV where I live is assigned solo. So even if we have the games stacked back to back, the same umpire(s) would not share in the game. Sadly, years ago I could come out at be the 2nd on a JV game with a newer umpire to help mentor them (not getting paid of course) but that ship sailed and we are no longer permitted to do this in the official HS season. Makes it fun transitioning from solo to 2 man when there is no mechanism to get that experience unless you work off season and either get lucky to be assigned 2 man games, or you jump on games with someone willing to split their solo game fee.

Game fees... in California, game fees are contracted through the CBUA (CA Baseball Umpire Association) and CIF. The fee schedule is published, typically has increases every year built in and is what it is. We do not as a local umpire association negotiate anything with the schools. This year, we actually have implemented the mileage fees which are included in the contract due to fuel costs, which is new for us. 

For non HS, we all work for various assignors... and this is where we screw ourselves. We take games which pay less than other assignor groups, we take solo assignments and then call up a buddy to come play and most likely share the fee. 2 umpires for the price of 1! We have the power, but fail to use it to affect change.

 

[ilyazhito]

In my area, the schools in DC and MD mostly do not have lights. There are a few schools in Montgomery County that do (Whitman and Blake HS), but for the most part, they don't, so early starts are common.

In VA, they do have lights, so JV games have been known to have 5:30 or 5:45 starts. Varsity often happens at the other school from the JV game, though having lights makes it easier on the umpires. 

Early starts, difficulty moving up in VA (and the high number of VA umpires), and the fact that non-pro umpires have more difficulty working college ball, at least in my area, effectively killed my baseball umpire career. I still officiate, but I will not go back to baseball unless more schools get lighted fields and games don't start obscenely early. 

[lawump]

From the Midlands of South Carolina:  

1.  All of our fields are lighted (except maybe a few inner-city schools at which I have never umpired (so I don't know if they have lights or not).  Those schools do not have any sub-varsity teams, however.)

2. The vast majority of our schools have three teams: varsity, junior varsity, and "B-Team".  ("B-Team" is not middle school as many feeder middle schools also have a "middle school" team.)

3. When we do have a JV/Varsity DH, the Varsity game must start on time.  So, if the schedule states that there is a 5 p.m./7p.m. JV/Varsity DH...the JV game will end at 6:30 (drop dead) as the Varsity Game must start at the scheduled time per SCHSL rules.  (I think they do this for radio, livestreaming, etc.)

4.  JV/Varsity DH's are not common.  Most of the "elite" programs (and we have a lot) have their sub-varsity teams play on a different night than the varsity team so that the varsity head coach can watch the sub-varsity team(s) play.

5.  The biggest issue we have (from an umpire association perspective) is that they do not play sub-varsity DH's.  Rather, Team A & Team B's JV and B teams will play each other on the same night...however Team A will host the JV game, while Team B will host the B-Team game.  They will then flip that later in the season.  

6.  South Carolina has adopted time limits in 2024 (not 2023) for sub-varsity games.  With the time limits, we are lobbying very hard for schools to play sub-varsity DH's at the same school.  From the perspective of the school, it would save them a lot of money (one bus trip per week instead of two...lighted field one night per week, instead of two).  It would also greatly help the umpire shortage we are beginning to feel.  For the first time in a long, long time on our busiest nights (which are always sub-varsity nights and not varsity nights) we had to assign one umpire to work a few games.  We try to avoid that at all cost...but it could not be avoided in 2022.  We had 3 or 4 sub-varsity games in 2022 have only one umpire.

Yes, I know that I am very lucky to work in the Midlands of South Carolina where we have great baseball, played at night under lights (when its not 95-degrees with 95% humidity), in front of passionate crowds, on fields that look better than most NCAA D.II fields and better than some D.I fields.  It always kills me to listen to new umpires who have just moved here from the northeast or Upper Midwest rave about our schools' facilities.  (Not to mention that our largest schools now have their broadcasting class students livestream the games on YouTube...and not just with one static camera.  But, rather, using multiple cameras and announcers.  Hell, some even have commercials from local businesses.)  

[mac266]

In my area, we do JV/Varsity double headers.  The only problem is, baseball is not known to be a "Colorado thing," and the amount of support for the game shows it.  Very, very few high schools have lights on their baseball diamonds, so we always schedule the varsity game first.  Depending on how long it takes, we almost always cut the JV games short due to the sun going down and no lights.

[GreyhoundAggie]

We have a few JV/V doubleheaders here. Generally with the smaller schools. Almost all schools here have lights so thats not an issue.

Most of the big schools do JV doubleheaders with the Varsity being at the opposite site as a single.

[834k3r]

This year most of our games for both Varsity and JV are doubleheaders. I think it'll work out great.