Runner Interference and the number of potential outs

[GreyhoundAggie]

Had a situation yesterday as follows: 

JV Fed Game. Bases loaded, no outs. I'm PU.

Groundball to SS, R2 plows into SS as he is trying to field the ball. Partner did not kill the play as he thought it was a delayed dead ball, so I stepped in and killed it and called R2 out and returned R3.

I know we can get more outs based on the possible prevention of a double play. At the time we did not rule any additional outs, but immediately after the inning I was thinking we should have potentially gotten 3 outs. 

R2 for interference, and R1 and BR for the prevented potential double play.

Is this too many outs to get from this play? For sure I am thinking we should have gotten at least 2, R2 and R1 at least.

Thanks for your thoughts, this play doesn't occur too often and I want to be better prepared next time.

[noumpere]

38 minutes ago, GreyhoundAggie said:

I know we can get more outs based on the possible prevention of a double play. At the time we did not rule any additional outs, but immediately after the inning I was thinking we should have potentially gotten 3 outs. 

R2 for interference, and R1 and BR for the prevented potential double play.

Is this too many outs to get from this play? For sure I am thinking we should have gotten at least 2, R2 and R1 at least.

IT's almost impossible to get three outs on this --it's not whoever committed the INT *PLUS* whoever the others are who would have been played on.  IT's the number of outs that the defense would have obtained if the INT hadn't occurred.    A grounder to F6 isn't likely to result in three outs, so only get two, max.

Which two (well, R2 is one of them -- so who else) depends on how hard the ball was hit, where the defense was playing, what the coach was yelling as F6 was about to field, etc.

[Richvee]

I've never thought of this situation as a chance to get 3 outs. (unless maybe a a hot shot to F5, steps on third, fires to second and we have a FPSR violation there).

FED reads "If, in the judgment of the umpire, a runner, including the batter runner interferes in any way and prevents a double play anywhere, two shall be called out (the runner who interfered and the other runner involved). On such a play as yours, call R2 out, of course, and you need to decide if the defense was going to go to second, or first. I believe we should only get this second out if we think the defense had a excellent shot  at turning a 6-4-3 DP. ..Slow roller, where there was no was they were turning two, just get the one out. R2 out, R3 returns, BR to first, R1 to second. 

Personally, I don't think I'm calling 2 outs unless we have a tailor made DP ball. 

[GreyhoundAggie]

This was 100% a taylor made DP ball. Hard shot to SS and R2 ran into him as he was making a play on the ball.

They would have for sure tried to turn 2 on the ball normally if R2 hadn't been there.

[maven]

31 minutes ago, GreyhoundAggie said:

This was 100% a taylor made DP ball. Hard shot to SS and R2 ran into him as he was making a play on the ball.

They would have for sure tried to turn 2 on the ball normally if R2 hadn't been there.

That's the basis for getting the additional out: R2 out, BR out, R3 returned.

[Richvee]

1 minute ago, maven said:

That's the basis for getting the additional out: R2 out, BR out, R3 returned.

[GreyhoundAggie]

6 minutes ago, maven said:

That's the basis for getting the additional out: R2 out, BR out, R3 returned.

10-4 gentleman.

And it doesn't matter whether you get R1 or BR since all runners return to TOP base. 

I appreciate the responses. I knew we should have gotten 2 outs, but wasn't positive on the justification for 3 outs if there was any.

Thanks again.
 

 

[grayhawk]

That's the basis for getting the additional out: R2 out, BR out, R3 returned.

And R1 returned as well. It doesn’t really matter if we call R1 or the BR out for the second out because we’ll have 1st and 3rd with 2 outs at the end of the play.

[GreyhoundAggie]

17 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

 

And R1 returned as well. It doesn’t really matter if we call R1 or the BR out for the second out because we’ll have 1st and 3rd with 2 outs at the end of the play.

 

Pick the fastest kid 

[Tborze]

1 minute ago, GreyhoundAggie said:

Pick the fastest kid 

WOW!  I was in the process of responding with the same exact thing. 

I like your style!