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grayhawk

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It looks like UmpJM over-rotated on this and posted the video to the wrong thread. 

 

That's OK, it's still early in the season. 

 

Yeah, he was WAY out of position on that call. ;)

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maven
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What the fielder is thinking is immaterial to the call. The fielder has the right to an unmolested opportunity to field the ball, and this runner denied him that right.   Fielders can lose that righ

Dash Riprock
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It doesn't matter what the fielder is 'trying' to do.  If the batted ball is within a step and a reach of the fielder, he is, by definition, in the act of fielding it.

zm1283
zm1283

The runner's lane protects the fielder taking a throw at first base, not a fielder making a play on a batted ball. The B/R is still responsible for avoiding the fielder while he is making a play, but

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johnnyg08, on 02 Apr 2014 - 3:32 PM, said:

Interference and primary responsibility to the first base umpire.  Pretty cut and dry.

No "I told ya so!"?  :D

Dash Riprock

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Hiler sounded genuinely pissed.

 

Sounds like the initial contact was not a fight rule violation, just INT.  The Collision Rule doesn't apply to this play now (no clear possession), but it might if the NCAA changes it to comport with the OBS rule (in the act).

grayhawk

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Hiler sounded genuinely pissed.

 

Sounds like the initial contact was not a fight rule violation, just INT.  The Collision Rule doesn't apply to this play now (no clear possession), but it might if the NCAA changes it to comport with the OBS rule (in the act).

 

Yeah, if I were U1 on that play, I'm not sure I would expect a post-season assignment.

Replacematt

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Hiler sounded genuinely pissed.

 

Sounds like the initial contact was not a fight rule violation, just INT.  The Collision Rule doesn't apply to this play now (no clear possession), but it might if the NCAA changes it to comport with the OBS rule (in the act).

 

Yeah, if I were U1 on that play, I'm not sure I would expect a post-season assignment.

This play probably won't affect that.

johnnyg08

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This play probably won't affect that.

 

I don't think that umpire will ever miss that call again.

 

 

 

Hopefully none of us miss it and we can learn from this.  

 

These guys are working in this conference for a reason.  None of us are exempt from error.

 

The great thing about the video study is that we can use it to learn.  Just like that crew.  Hopefully we all learn from this play.

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Haid D' Salaami

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I think until you walk a mile in a man's shoes.... or if you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones...

 

I know of the umpires.. it is easy to sit back and say " I would do this or that" but until your in this game ( big, big , big rivalry game) and you have to make this kind of call..should you say " this might affect his postseason schedule".. I bet you a dollar it doesn't.

 

If you take offensive to that comment I'm sorry.. but it is easy to sit back behind a keyboard in slow motion replay and take a guess at what you would call..

 

yes i used to be that guy, till i had a very bad situation happen to myself and the crew i was on, and it was on a D1 weekend. after that.. i never say that again, i know it can happen and it can happen at the flip of a switch.

johnnyg08

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yes i used to be that guy, till i had a very bad situation happen to myself and the crew i was on, and it was on a D1 weekend. after that.. i never say that again, i know it can happen and it can happen at the flip of a switch.

true that

maven

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I think until you walk a mile in a man's shoes.... or if you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones...

 

I know of the umpires.. it is easy to sit back and say " I would do this or that" but until your in this game ( big, big , big rivalry game) and you have to make this kind of call..should you say " this might affect his postseason schedule".. I bet you a dollar it doesn't.

 

If you take offensive to that comment I'm sorry.. but it is easy to sit back behind a keyboard in slow motion replay and take a guess at what you would call..

 

yes i used to be that guy, till i had a very bad situation happen to myself and the crew i was on, and it was on a D1 weekend. after that.. i never say that again, i know it can happen and it can happen at the flip of a switch.

 

I'm not sure what your point is, except perhaps to shut down the discussion.

 

It's one thing to take potshots: "that guy sure blew that call!" That's not productive and doesn't make anyone a better umpire.

 

It's another to say that we can't learn anything from film study. As in officiating any other sport, we can learn from watching film, reflecting on the rules, thinking about mechanics, and determining the best call to make under the circumstances. The availability of film is a huge aid to anyone who wants to advance.

 

I've done film work with guys who work the highest levels of football, and they have a great habit: instead of talking about the crew working the game they're reviewing as "they" and "them," they use the words "we" and "us." As in: "we had a great look at that, but we didn't flag it for some reason. Since that's a safety foul, we need to get that..."

 

I think that's a great approach that builds solidarity with other officials and allows us to focus on what's important in film study: we're all on the same team, working for better grasp of rules, mechanics, and game management. Taking potshots is not among those goals; but the idea that we should all just bow down to anyone working a level higher than ours and accept whatever they do or say is, in its own way, just as unproductive.

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JaxRolo

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go back and read pages.. they're guys saying, he should have don e this, or I would have done this...

 

What's wrong with that? As long as its not in a bashing type of format.

johnnyg08

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I think until you walk a mile in a man's shoes.... or if you live in a glass house you shouldn't throw stones...

 

I know of the umpires.. it is easy to sit back and say " I would do this or that" but until your in this game ( big, big , big rivalry game) and you have to make this kind of call..should you say " this might affect his postseason schedule".. I bet you a dollar it doesn't.

 

If you take offensive to that comment I'm sorry.. but it is easy to sit back behind a keyboard in slow motion replay and take a guess at what you would call..

 

yes i used to be that guy, till i had a very bad situation happen to myself and the crew i was on, and it was on a D1 weekend. after that.. i never say that again, i know it can happen and it can happen at the flip of a switch.

 

I'm not sure what your point is, except perhaps to shut down the discussion.

 

It's one thing to take potshots: "that guy sure blew that call!" That's not productive and doesn't make anyone a better umpire.

 

It's another to say that we can't learn anything from film study. As in officiating any other sport, we can learn from watching film, reflecting on the rules, thinking about mechanics, and determining the best call to make under the circumstances. The availability of film is a huge aid to anyone who wants to advance.

 

I've done film work with guys who work the highest levels of football, and they have a great habit: instead of talking about the crew working the game they're reviewing as "they" and "them," they use the words "we" and "us." As in: "we had a great look at that, but we didn't flag it for some reason. Since that's a safety foul, we need to get that..."

 

I think that's a great approach that builds solidarity with other officials and allows us to focus on what's important in film study: we're all on the same team, working for better grasp of rules, mechanics, and game management. Taking potshots is not among those goals; but the idea that we should all just bow down to anyone working a level higher than ours and accept whatever they do or say is, in its own way, just as unproductive.

 

 

I agree w/ this.  In fact, I would say that's one of the great things about this forum vs other discussion boards.  

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maven

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go back and read pages.. they're guys saying, he should have don e this, or I would have done this...

 

Right: but was it a potshot to puff themselves up or a legitimate attempt to learn from film study?

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MidAmUmp

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I think what Haid is saying, but not using his words real perty, is what I ranted about a while back...

Reviewing video, looking for cues and learning from mistakes is one thing. Watching video over and over in slow motion, taking screen shots and making comments like "at 0:22 the runner did...", etc. is doing nothing more than being a Monday morning quarterback.

 

Watch video at full speed. If you want to watch it frame by frame and that stuff, then I'd suggest applying for a replay official. During a real game you get 1 shot at full speed to get it right. So watch and pick up on the 4 keys - status of runner, fielder, ball, and other umpire(s) - at full speed.

 

What I think he's also saying is most umpires never have, or ever will work on a big time stage like this. We think we know what we'd do, but when it really happens most umpires won't even handle it the way these umpires handled it. To call a spade a spade - there are umpires on here (and in general) who think, "Hell, I could do that." and love to criticize and nitpick the "big boys" when most would be found in the fetal position sucking their thumb if they were ever in the same position.

 

We all can and should learn through video review. But I think we all need to do it the right way...be that an MLB, NCAA, or YouTube clip of some youth umpire who's never been through any training.

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