Bryce 'Crybaby' Harper .... buh-bye

[bam]

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants.  And the PU has the right to dump him whenever he sees fit.

First, the idea of "free speech" refers to first amendment restrictions on Congress. Doesn't apply to baseball (or most other contexts).

 

Second, I don't think you understand what a right is: if players had the right to say whatever they wanted, then no umpire would ever be justified in ejecting them. If you think the EJ was justified, then you don't think he had a right to say what he did in the manner he did.

 

Any player certainly has the capacity to say whatever he wants, and, as you point out, there will often be consequences for doing so. That capacity does not entail a right.

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts???  I think we have a bigger problem here and I might have to resepecfully leave this forum.  Welll there is this and the other comment by someone saying Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he chose to live the thug life.  But that is a whole other conversation.  Maven, I have to ask this, did you graduate high school?  And if so did you pay any attention whatsoever in your civics or governemnt classes?  Because you and I, whether we are on a baseball field or in a bar, wherever have the right to free speech.  We can say what we want to say.  Now because their are rules in baseball you may have to pay a penalty for utilizing your right to free speech in a way that offends an umpire's sensibilities.  And that penalty might be an early exit from the ball game.  And to be very clear, I understand what a right is a lot better than you do. Wow, I am out.

 

You're free to leave......

[HeadHunterLA]

 

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants.  And the PU has the right to dump him whenever he sees fit.

First, the idea of "free speech" refers to first amendment restrictions on Congress. Doesn't apply to baseball (or most other contexts).

 

Second, I don't think you understand what a right is: if players had the right to say whatever they wanted, then no umpire would ever be justified in ejecting them. If you think the EJ was justified, then you don't think he had a right to say what he did in the manner he did.

 

Any player certainly has the capacity to say whatever he wants, and, as you point out, there will often be consequences for doing so. That capacity does not entail a right.

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts???  I think we have a bigger problem here and I might have to resepecfully leave this forum.  Welll there is this and the other comment by someone saying Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he chose to live the thug life.  But that is a whole other conversation.  Maven, I have to ask this, did you graduate high school?  And if so did you pay any attention whatsoever in your civics or governemnt classes?  Because you and I, whether we are on a baseball field or in a bar, wherever have the right to free speech.  We can say what we want to say.  Now because their are rules in baseball you may have to pay a penalty for utilizing your right to free speech in a way that offends an umpire's sensibilities.  And that penalty might be an early exit from the ball game.  And to be very clear, I understand what a right is a lot better than you do. Wow, I am out.

 

You're free to leave......

 

Thanks Bam, I'll take that under advisement.

[th3]

great hair

[th3]

i didnt th9nk eather one was outside...the 2nd might habe been a bit high but i like them as strikes

[Lindsay]

Have at it:

[HeadHunterLA]

Have at it:

That was number two, barely made it.  Number one wasn't close.

[bam]

 

Have at it:

That was number two, barely made it.  Number one wasn't close.

 

 

So when he posts the next one showing that that one was a strike as well you'll still be free to leave. 

[zm1283]

Have at it:

That was number two, barely made it.  Number one wasn't close.

You've gone from "Both we're obvious balls" to "Number two barely made it". Make up your mind here.

This has nothing to do with free speech.

[Umpire in Chief]

Good EJ

 

And Harper isn't doing himself any favors

[HeadHunterLA]

Gil, do this assclown a favour and post Hunter's normalized plot for LHB for the entire game with the additional "expected / typical" strike zone for LHB.

Players want consistency. Nobody wants to watch a game featuring a postage stamp of a strike zone either. So if HW is banging a pitch 2 inches off the 17" plate to every LHB from innings 1-9, Harper needs to swing his 30+ inch bat, especially on a pitch that even hits the 'official' strike zone.

Note also his manager and several teammates called him out for getting tossed.

Who you calling ass clown pal?  Post the chart from the first AB, dipstick behind the plate missed two.

[blue23ll]

 

Gil, do this assclown a favour and post Hunter's normalized plot for LHB for the entire game with the additional "expected / typical" strike zone for LHB.

Players want consistency. Nobody wants to watch a game featuring a postage stamp of a strike zone either. So if HW is banging a pitch 2 inches off the 17" plate to every LHB from innings 1-9, Harper needs to swing his 30+ inch bat, especially on a pitch that even hits the 'official' strike zone.

Note also his manager and several teammates called him out for getting tossed.

Who you calling ass clown pal?  Post the chart from the first AB, dipstick behind the plate missed two.

 

Okay, we are going off the tracks here guys!  Time to get it back to civilized discourse.

[Umpire in Chief]

 

Knock it off guys...

[grayhawk]

I wouldn't be surprised to see the first one be off the plate, but to say it "wasn't close" is absurd and sounds like things coaches say:

"Wasn't even close!"

"He was three feet off the bag!"

"He plowed him over!"

"He beat it by two steps!"

"That was a foot outside!"

"That was over his head!"

[HeadHunterLA]

 

 

Gil, do this assclown a favour and post Hunter's normalized plot for LHB for the entire game with the additional "expected / typical" strike zone for LHB.

Players want consistency. Nobody wants to watch a game featuring a postage stamp of a strike zone either. So if HW is banging a pitch 2 inches off the 17" plate to every LHB from innings 1-9, Harper needs to swing his 30+ inch bat, especially on a pitch that even hits the 'official' strike zone.

Note also his manager and several teammates called him out for getting tossed.

Who you calling ass clown pal?  Post the chart from the first AB, dipstick behind the plate missed two.

 

Okay, we are going off the tracks here guys!  Time to get it back to civilized discourse.

 

Gil, do this assclown a favour and post Hunter's normalized plot for LHB for the entire game with the additional "expected / typical" strike zone for LHB.

Players want consistency. Nobody wants to watch a game featuring a postage stamp of a strike zone either. So if HW is banging a pitch 2 inches off the 17" plate to every LHB from innings 1-9, Harper needs to swing his 30+ inch bat, especially on a pitch that even hits the 'official' strike zone.

Note also his manager and several teammates called him out for getting tossed.

 Go take a look

 

 

Knock it off guys...

Whatever, some guys are really quick with the name calling on the Internet.  The plot shows he was solid all day long against lefties, except for Harper's first AB where he sucked.

 at the plot pal, 

[noumpere]

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts??? 

 

 

It means you can criticise the government without (generally) being imprisoned.  it has nothing to do with your "right" to say whatever you want on a baseball field or in an internet forum.

 

As for the rest, well, go away fanboy is I think the bumpersticker that applies here.

[HeadHunterLA]

 

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts??? 

 

 

It means you can criticise the government without (generally) being imprisoned.  it has nothing to do with your "right" to say whatever you want on a baseball field or in an internet forum.

 

As for the rest, well, go away fanboy is I think the bumpersticker that applies here.

 

Oh my god, another one who has no idea that free speech applies everywhere.

[Maineac]

 

 

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts??? 

 

 

It means you can criticise the government without (generally) being imprisoned.  it has nothing to do with your "right" to say whatever you want on a baseball field or in an internet forum.

 

As for the rest, well, go away fanboy is I think the bumpersticker that applies here.

 

Oh my god, another one who has no idea that free speech applies everywhere.

 

Free speech does not apply everywhere:

 

"As most famously described by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in Schenck v. United States, “The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man in falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic.†Other types of speech by individuals also fall outside the protection against prior restraint, including fighting words and obscenity."

[mstaylor]

Headhunter:

This is the text from the Constitution. 

 

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech

So what it guarantees is the govt can't pass a law that infridges on your freedom of speech. Of course, there are limits to that freedom.  

[zm1283]

 

 

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts??? 

 

 

It means you can criticise the government without (generally) being imprisoned.  it has nothing to do with your "right" to say whatever you want on a baseball field or in an internet forum.

 

As for the rest, well, go away fanboy is I think the bumpersticker that applies here.

 

Oh my god, another one who has no idea that free speech applies everywhere.

 

 

Wrong.  Warren or any other forum operator can "violate" your supposed free speech on their message board and censor your comments (delete them) or kick you off the board altogether.  He would not be violating your free speech by doing so.

[grayhawk]

I think this is the right plot for the first one:

 

http://www.brooksbaseball.net/pfxVB/numlocation_io.php?pitchSel=605228&game=gid_2013_07_13_wasmlb_miamlb_1/&batterX=40&innings=yyyyyyyyy&sp_type=1&s_type=3

 

Looks like strike 3 was off the plate, as I suspected, but was still close (perhaps and inch and a half out).  Of course, Harper should not have been surprised since the previous pitch was a little farther out, and was also called a strike.

 

Not sure how to post the image so it shows up, rather than the link.

[maven]

grayhawk, click on the image to put it in its own window. Select the URL, which should be a .GIF. Post, and voila.

 

[grayhawk]

Thanks Maven.

[BigUmpire]

Headhunter:

This is the text from the Constitution. 

 

 

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech

So what it guarantees is the govt can't pass a law that infridges on your freedom of speech. Of course, there are limits to that freedom.  

Slander and libel

[zm1283]

[mstaylor]

Assuming red is called strikes and green are balls, he missed two pitches in his zone, both on Mia.