Bryce 'Crybaby' Harper .... buh-bye

[Jesse]

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants.  And the PU has the right to dump him whenever he sees fit.

First, the idea of "free speech" refers to first amendment restrictions on Congress. Doesn't apply to baseball (or most other contexts).

 

Second, I don't think you understand what a right is: if players had the right to say whatever they wanted, then no umpire would ever be justified in ejecting them. If you think the EJ was justified, then you don't think he had a right to say what he did in the manner he did.

 

Any player certainly has the capacity to say whatever he wants, and, as you point out, there will often be consequences for doing so. That capacity does not entail a right.

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts???  I think we have a bigger problem here and I might have to resepecfully leave this forum.  Welll there is this and the other comment by someone saying Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he chose to live the thug life.  But that is a whole other conversation.  Maven, I have to ask this, did you graduate high school?  And if so did you pay any attention whatsoever in your civics or governemnt classes?  Because you and I, whether we are on a baseball field or in a bar, wherever have the right to free speech.  We can say what we want to say.  Now because their are rules in baseball you may have to pay a penalty for utilizing your right to free speech in a way that offends an umpire's sensibilities.  And that penalty might be an early exit from the ball game.  And to be very clear, I understand what a right is a lot better than you do. Wow, I am out.

 

Nice grammar. Did you pass any sort of high school english class?

[JHSump]

Ignore, for a moment, the discussion of behavior, and concentrate on the strike zone record, specifically for LHHs as shown above.

 

I will say this: If my recorded strike zone for a game looked like this one, I would be extremely satisfied.  Hunter Wendelstedt (HW) was very consistent throughout the game.  Additionally, his calls were very consistent with the typical called strike zone for LHHs, as called by umpires across the MLB (the dashed boundary).  It is even arguable that his very few mistakes were close to the boundary and so they were borderline pitches and could have gone either way.  There were no big mistakes.

 

Remember a baseball is about 3 inches in diameter (just 1/8 inch less than 3).  The square and triangular symbols look to be about 1/10 foot in diameter, so those symbols represent the center of the ball.  The actual ball is about 0.25 feet in diameter --- it should be drawn as a circle of diameter about half the distance between the labeled locations on the horizontal and vertical axes.  That is about the width of the extension of the typical LHH zone to the left of the true zone in the diagram.

 

From this plot there is (1) no evidence that HW did a poor job, and (2) no evidence that Bryce Harper was singled out.

[Haid D' Salaami]

Im still hung up on HeadhunterLA saying these were questionable pitches... dude your strike zone must be the size of a coffee can.. those pitches were great.. Harper is a bitc%

[Haid D' Salaami]

JHS there is a different strike zone for LHH.. I had never heard of this.. thanks

[Haid D' Salaami]

Who you calling ass clown pal?  Post the chart from the first AB, dipstick behind the plate missed two

 

I'll call you an ass clown.. you think he missed 2 pitches.. wow it was 1 inch off the plate.. rule book says any part of the ball that touches the strike zone shall be called a strike...

 

​Like i said your small;l ass strike zone can stay in LL..

 

I'm guessing your a Bryce Harper fan...

[JHSump]

JHS there is a different strike zone for LHH.. I had never heard of this.. thanks

Yes, in practice there seems to be a different strike zone for LHHs vs RHHs.  Apparently, it's a recognized result across the MLB. See http://www.hardballtimes.com/main/article/strike-zone-fact-vs-fiction/

 

I don't think it's known why there is a difference between the two zones.  It may be a function of the fact that catchers are almost universally right handed --- wear the catcher's mitt on their left hand, skewing the umpire's perception of a pitch on the outside corner for LHHs as viewed from the slot.

[Haid D' Salaami]

HeadhunterLA said Both were balls, period.  Umpires have a hard on for Harper

 

your SH*#ting me right.. Umpires have a hard on for Harper.. I guess you never really talked to or hung out with a MLB umpire.. they really could care less about players. Dude get off your soap box.

[basejester]

Remember a baseball is about 3 inches in diameter (just 1/8 inch less than 3).  The square and triangular symbols look to be about 1/10 inch in diameter, so those symbols represent the center of the ball.

1/10 foot maybe?

[JHSump]

 

Remember a baseball is about 3 inches in diameter (just 1/8 inch less than 3).  The square and triangular symbols look to be about 1/10 inch in diameter, so those symbols represent the center of the ball.

1/10 foot maybe?

 

You are correct.  I should have said 1/10 foot.  I have now edited that post to say "1/10 foot".   

[flastyle727]

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants. 

 

Patently absurd statement.  Sounds like it belongs on World Star

I'd sure like to know what you meant by that comment Bam.

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[bam]

 

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants. 

 

 

Patently absurd statement.  Sounds like it belongs on World Star

I'd sure like to know what you meant by that comment Bam.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_star_hiphop

 

Typically you get videos of "urban youth" shouting ridiculous stuff in others faces. 

[BRUMP]

harper needs to grow up....hes been doing this for a while.....

when he was in the JUCO WS

[BigUmpire]

harper needs to grow up....hes been doing this for a while.....

when he was in the JUCO WS

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in MiLB

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last yr

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=24325759&query=harper%2Bejected

earlier this yr...

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=26863113&query=harper%2Bejected

and finally the one we are all talking about...

http://wapc.mlb.com/play/?content_id=28875513&query=harper%2Bejected

 

notice a trend??? dude needs to grow up

[Thunderheads]

And, ....they had to "live edit" him at the HR derby last night because he'd yell and swear when he didn't catch one just right .... nice.....

[flastyle727]

 

 

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants. 

 

 

Patently absurd statement.  Sounds like it belongs on World Star

I'd sure like to know what you meant by that comment Bam.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_star_hiphop

 

Typically you get videos of "urban youth" shouting ridiculous stuff in others faces. 

 

 

"Urban Youth" -- I would love your definition of this also. I won't assume anything else. As a product of "urban youth" I'll leave it alone

[catsbackr]

 

 

Dude, it's called free speech, not a rules based statement. He has THE RIGHT to say whatever the hell he wants.  And the PU has the right to dump him whenever he sees fit.

First, the idea of "free speech" refers to first amendment restrictions on Congress. Doesn't apply to baseball (or most other contexts).

 

Second, I don't think you understand what a right is: if players had the right to say whatever they wanted, then no umpire would ever be justified in ejecting them. If you think the EJ was justified, then you don't think he had a right to say what he did in the manner he did.

 

Any player certainly has the capacity to say whatever he wants, and, as you point out, there will often be consequences for doing so. That capacity does not entail a right.

 

LMAO, you are telling me that Free Speech only applies to first amendment restrictions on Congress???  Are you serious???  It doesn't apply to baseball or most other contexts???  I think we have a bigger problem here and I might have to resepecfully leave this forum.  Welll there is this and the other comment by someone saying Trayvon Martin deserved to die because he chose to live the thug life.  But that is a whole other conversation.  Maven, I have to ask this, did you graduate high school?  And if so did you pay any attention whatsoever in your civics or governemnt classes?  Because you and I, whether we are on a baseball field or in a bar, wherever have the right to free speech.  We can say what we want to say.  Now because their are rules in baseball you may have to pay a penalty for utilizing your right to free speech in a way that offends an umpire's sensibilities.  And that penalty might be an early exit from the ball game.  And to be very clear, I understand what a right is a lot better than you do. Wow, I am out.

 

RAT!

[BigUmpire]

Lock this thread.

[Umpire in Chief]

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