Post Game Ejection

[flastyle727]

District Tournament Play-In Game.....In the Top of the 5th inning with 2 outs HT led 3-1, they attempted a pick off move to 1B, my partner called the player safe. The HT Heac Coach did not agree and came out on the field to argue the call, yelling that "there is no way he is safe, what are you looking at." My partner told the coach to the leave the field, after a few more words the coach walked off the field and as he did he said aloud in my direction "that call is absolutely terrible, your partner is killing me".  (I probably should have restricted him and I thought my partner definetly should have) 

 

VT would go ahead and score two runs to tie the game in that inning. In the middle of the inning the HT coach came out stood beside me and quietly told me that my partner blew the call and it cost his guys 2 runs. I told the coach I didn't want to discuss it and I asked him to go back to the dugout. 

 

In the Top of the 7th inning with the score 3-3, 1 out and the runners on 2nd and 3rd the ball was hit to CF. I moved from behind the plate in down the 3rd base foul line and in front of 3rd base dugout to line up the catch and the tag at 3rd. The ball was caught for out #2 and the player scored after tagging up. HT appealed that the player left early, I called him safe. HT head coach started screaming that this is terrible, jumping up, and down saying we have cost him another run. He kept arguing the call after being asked to leave the field so I confined him to the dugout.

 

The game ended in the bottom of the 7th inning on a 2 out double. The kid was rounding second headed for third and the Assistant coach made a bone head error and told the kid to retreat to second where he was subsequently tagged out for the final out. Obviously the HT Head Coach would have been on 3rd base coach box.  As we attempted to walk out the VT dugout and the HT head coach ran to 1B side, quickly shook hands with VT coach and started yelling at my partner and I.  As we walked across the field he followed us and yelled out that we are terrible, told us to enjoy our checks cause we didn't earn them and said we cost his team the season. I stopped at the 1st base foul line I ejected him as he continued to scream and yell. His Assistant Principal met us in the parking lot and apologized for his coach's behavior and said that he hoped that we write a report to the association. I told him I had to because his coach was ejected. The assistant principal again apologized and looked forward to hearing from the report.

 

What do you all think could have been different. I wish we had restricted him in the 5th inning, we may have avoided the ugly Post game.

[KLAH316]

In the Top of the 7th inning with the score 3-3, 1 out and the runners on 2nd and 3rd the ball was hit to CF. I moved from behind the plate in down the 3rd base foul line and in front of 3rd base dugout to line up the catch and the tag at 3rd. The ball was caught for out #2 and the player scored after tagging up. HT appealed that the player left early, I called him safe. HT head coach started screaming that this is terrible, jumping up, and down saying we have cost him another run. He kept arguing the call after being asked to leave the field so I confined him to the dugout.

 

This ^^^ demonstrative action is a signal that he no longer wishes to participate as the Head Coach in the athletic competition and you should have assisted him in making that decision final.....

In other words, "BOOM"!

 

[Mike Prince]

You hit most of the "should haves" on your own.  I definitely would have restricted him if not done already at the changeover when he came to complain to you about the pickoff call - he had his say on the original play and it is not subject to further conversations.

 

The EJ in the top of the 7th then would have been easy, but at that point I have an EJ regardless of previous warnings...

 

Even if you had restricted him on the first argument it would have not prevented the tag-up argument nor the yelling at the end of the game.

 

How's the VT batting in the bottom of the 5th    ?

[flastyle727]

Good point on the VT batting in the bottom of the 5th...I wonder if the Ex. Director caught that mistake

[flastyle727]

Good point on the VT batting in the bottom of the 5th...I wonder if the Ex. Director caught that mistake

 

You hit most of the "should haves" on your own.  I definitely would have restricted him if not done already at the changeover when he came to complain to you about the pickoff call - he had his say on the original play and it is not subject to further conversations.

 

The EJ in the top of the 7th then would have been easy, but at that point I have an EJ regardless of previous warnings...

 

Even if you had restricted him on the first argument it would have not prevented the tag-up argument nor the yelling at the end of the game.

 

How's the VT batting in the bottom of the 5th    ?

 

Fixed...I love that edit key!!

[mstaylor]

Definitely would have tossed him in the seventh. Some coaches just don't get it.

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[Pete Peterson Sr]

District Tournament Play-In Game.....In the Top of the 5th inning with 2 outs HT led 3-1, they attempted a pick off move to 1B, my partner called the player safe. The HT Heac Coach did not agree and came out on the field to argue the call, yelling that "there is no way he is safe, what are you looking at." My partner told the coach to the leave the field, after a few more words the coach walked off the field and as he did he said aloud in my direction "that call is absolutely terrible, your partner is killing me".  (I probably should have restricted him and I thought my partner definetly should have) 

 

 

 

 

 

 Never let a coach bad-mouth your partner with no repercussions. The lack of action at that point MAY have emboldened him to continue to show his backside. JMHO.....

[treydawgmt]

"Your partner is killing me" and "You cost me a run" are both direct assaults on your character as an official.  They at the LEAST warrant a restriction, but I'd probably go straight to the EJ on both.  They do not have a place in sports, especially at the HS level.

[flastyle727]

Well said by the whole lot of you folks. I agree with having allowed it to get a little carried away....

[spiritump]

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

[UmpireBear]

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

 

I disagree, paper work never any fun. Now this situation I would have warned him that the conversation was done right after the play in the fifth, then I would have restricted him after his comment about "us" costing them a run. That might have put out any potential flames in the 7th, but had he continued and pulled those antics, BOOM! he gone!.

[Jeapugrad]

Heck, I may have dumped him on the pickoff move. If he can't calmly come out and talk to me like I'm a person, he's not going to get it the 2nd or 3rd time you warn him and the problems with him continue. Eject early to eject less.

[BigUmpire]

Heck, I may have dumped him on the pickoff move. If he can't calmly come out and talk to me like I'm a person, he's not going to get it the 2nd or 3rd time you warn him and the problems with him continue. Eject early to eject less.

" Eject early to eject less"

Bumper sticker.

 

[bam]

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

We have to do a report even for a bench restriction

[mstaylor]

We have to do a report for anything odd, so you don't even have to restrict and still have to do a report. Writing a report takes five minutes, not a consideration on whether I toss or not. 

[bam]

I had one the other day for a scorekeeper yelling at parents of the other squad. What a chucklehead.

[flastyle727]

 

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

We have to do a report even for a bench restriction

 

We are told to Restrict before Ejection in all most every case....the entire year there was only 1 coach ejection out of our association.....Yours truly being that guy. Small towns...politics of which I am not used to coming here.

[Mike Prince]

 

 

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

We have to do a report even for a bench restriction

 

We are told to Restrict before Ejection in all most every case....the entire year there was only 1 coach ejection out of our association.....Yours truly being that guy. Small towns...politics of which I am not used to coming here.

 

 

I have worked in associations with similar guidelines - but it is always stressed to go direct to the EJ phase if the initial action is too much for a restriction.

[flastyle727]

 

 

 

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

We have to do a report even for a bench restriction

 

We are told to Restrict before Ejection in all most every case....the entire year there was only 1 coach ejection out of our association.....Yours truly being that guy. Small towns...politics of which I am not used to coming here.

 

 

I have worked in associations with similar guidelines - but it is always stressed to go direct to the EJ phase if the initial action is too much for a restriction.

 

 

Agreed. I think once you set the precedance of becoming an irresponsible adult you deserve the EJ regardless. Some days I wish I could scream out "COACH WHAT THE H*** WERE YOU THINKING WHEN YOU TRIED TO STEAL 3RD ON THE LAST OUT" "YOUR TERRIBLE, YOUR KILLING ME".....I say it in my head often

[mstaylor]

Restriction is there as tool, not a crutch. For some reason many groups feel ejections are bad. Multiple ejections a year is horrible. I couldn't disagree more, my last coach ejection was several years ago but I don't have to because they know I will. I can only think of one situation where I would have restricted a coach and that was because he had no asst, it was the seventh, and the argument was not that horrible that I was going to dump him. But to be honest, restriction does not enter my thought process. 

My feeling that groups that want restrictions before ejection just think appeasing coaches is the most important thing. They generally push the thought that you should get together if the coach asks.   If you think your partner was in a position to help, sure, get together. If you know he wasn't, or it is the type of call that you just have to keep, don't. Sometimes we just have to umpire and be the bad guy. 

My group is not concerned with ejections, we are concerned with bad ejections. Ejecting for a wrong reason or situation is what needs to be fixed. A friend of mine was called on the carpet by his BOD for too many ejections. He had written a report on every one he had and he had them review them. He asked about each one and they agreed that each was a good toss. However, they still felt he had too many.   His point was which ones should he have passed on, they couldn't answer. 

[BigUmpire]

Restriction is there as tool, not a crutch. For some reason many groups feel ejections are bad. Multiple ejections a year is horrible. I couldn't disagree more, my last coach ejection was several years ago but I don't have to because they know I will. I can only think of one situation where I would have restricted a coach and that was because he had no asst, it was the seventh, and the argument was not that horrible that I was going to dump him. But to be honest, restriction does not enter my thought process. 

My feeling that groups that want restrictions before ejection just think appeasing coaches is the most important thing. They generally push the thought that you should get together if the coach asks.   If you think your partner was in a position to help, sure, get together. If you know he wasn't, or it is the type of call that you just have to keep, don't. Sometimes we just have to umpire and be the bad guy. 

My group is not concerned with ejections, we are concerned with bad ejections. Ejecting for a wrong reason or situation is what needs to be fixed. A friend of mine was called on the carpet by his BOD for too many ejections. He had written a report on every one he had and he had them review them. He asked about each one and they agreed that each was a good toss. However, they still felt he had too many.   His point was which ones should he have passed on, they couldn't answer. 

 

"my last coach ejection was several years ago but I don't have to because they know I will"

Think about this.

[Jeapugrad]

Restriction can be worse cause you're humiliating a grown man by treating him like a child. Or so I've heard from a dugout

[spiritump]

a grown man will not act like a ass--a RAT will always act like as ass

[Aging_Arbiter]

Why Why Why restrict when you can eject--if it is bad enough to be restricted then it is bad enough to be ejected.  Give a warning then eject--it will make your job easier.

 

Why restrict when you can eject?  Because if it's a really hot (and preferably humid) day, He's going to sit in that dugout where often times there is less airflow.  THAT is his warning.  At this point, if that rat continues, then eject. 

 

As mentioned, this is a TOOL, not a crutch.  I like to use TOOLS, and if by USING A TOOL, this guy gets to sit in a sauna for a few innings, SO BE IT.

 

 I'm not going to arbitrarily allow him to get to the beer fridge before I have the opportunity.

[mtnump]

Worked a set of games last week that paired the 2 coaches I have restricted this season.  Both made comments during the game that they had learned a lesson and their behavior proved it.  HT AC was not there the day I restricted HC, so my partner taught him his lesson in the 4th inning.