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carolinablue

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He wasn't grossly blocking the plate, but something specific to LL is that the fielder must give access the the ENTIRE base/plate.

Is this from the RIM? I have a copy but don't have access right now.

I can't find it in the RIM. It's what I have been taught at several LL clinics run by western region staff. I'll check with them and get back with you.

Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

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RichMSN
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I'll address what Rich Ives posted above: (1) The LLWS is not local Little League. Our local leagues use teenagers wearing balloons for a lot of league games. Once we get to District play, the um

RichMSN
RichMSN

The plate guy in the last game today may as well have shouted, "Look at me! Look at me!" the entire game.

RichMSN
RichMSN

I'll put our District's Top 5 up against any District in the country. All of us have worked a World Series for Little League and also work college baseball. 4 of the 5 of us worked a regional final

Jocko

Jocko

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Wy do all the guys who work first base have to act like they need to sell every last call. Double play to end the game beats the runner by two steps and first base acts like its a banger to end game 7 of the WS.

cause they know theyre on ESPN
RichMSN

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Wy do all the guys who work first base have to act like they need to sell every last call. Double play to end the game beats the runner by two steps and first base acts like its a banger to end game 7 of the WS.

cause they know theyre on ESPN

I thought every WS umpire called outs at first with the fist outstretched over the head until I saw one in the last day that actually had good timing and a normal out mechanic.

Only 3 days left.

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Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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The Tenn/Tex game home plate ump got called Tim McClelland by someone in the booth!! LOL

That was a VERY hesitant physical signal!

All in all he did a good job.

HOWEVER ..........the CONSTANT video review is getting nauseating!

grayhawk

grayhawk

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He wasn't grossly blocking the plate, but something specific to LL is that the fielder must give access the the ENTIRE base/plate.

Is this from the RIM? I have a copy but don't have access right now.

I can't find it in the RIM. It's what I have been taught at several LL clinics run by western region staff. I'll check with them and get back with you.

Yeah, thanks, I appreciate it.

Here is what the lead mechanics instructor at western region had to say about it:

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"The rule says the defense, without the ball, can not Hinder, Impede, or Confuse the runner. It is an UNDERSTOOD interpretation that means they can not take any part of the bag away from him/her. There is NO explicit wording in the Rulebook or RIM, but that's the way it's taught.

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The LL rulebook definitely goes above and beyond the regular OBR definition of obstruction, and even though it's not explicit in the rule about giving access to the entire bag, it's an accepted interpretation.

Dannytheman

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Coast Guard/Navy...... Tomato/To-mah-to

All a bunch of squids :FIRE:

But he knows what the hell a Fathom is.

Puddle pirates like me walk to shore. Never call a Coastie a Squid. And that is Chief Squid to you. :hopmad:

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th3

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so double elimination goes away in the final game? i dont know that i realized that

Jimurray

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"The LL rulebook definitely goes above and beyond the regular OBR definition of obstruction, and even though it's not explicit in the rule about giving access to the entire bag, it's an accepted interpretation."

Accepted where?

grayhawk

grayhawk

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"The LL rulebook definitely goes above and beyond the regular OBR definition of obstruction, and even though it's not explicit in the rule about giving access to the entire bag, it's an accepted interpretation."

Accepted where?

Little League West Region at least.

RichMSN

RichMSN

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"The LL rulebook definitely goes above and beyond the regular OBR definition of obstruction, and even though it's not explicit in the rule about giving access to the entire bag, it's an accepted interpretation."

Accepted where?

Little League West Region at least.

The Western region goes above and beyond what any other region does.

It's a good and a bad thing -- they do the best job training umpires and probably care the most about umpiring. However, they also put forth rulings that WR umpires take as gospel and expect other region's umpires to take as gospel as well. They did this long before there was no LL UIC, either.

kylejt

kylejt

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Here's my take: It doesn't matter, because OBS takes place before the bag/plate.

If the runner is contacted, slowed down, moved off course, or is made to go back because of the positioning of the fielder without the ball, that's obstruction.

If a runner is diving back, and tries to reach straight forward, but has to reach differently, that's obstruction. It doesn't matter if it's eight feet from the plate, or two inches from the bag, or how much of the base is available. For OBS, always look to what the runner does, when the fielder's in the way.

dumbdumb

dumbdumb

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Has anyone in the know found out if the team accused of shouting out the type of pitch coming to the batter right after the pitcher goes into his windup, was in fact actually shouting out the type of pitch. Seems like that accusation occurred in at least 2 different games. Were they really calling out the type of pitch coming to their batter to give him an advantage? If they were not shouting out the type of pitch, what were they shouting out. Who was stealing the signs and how were they doing it. Seems like in one game, nobody was on base when they were shouting out the pitch, if in fact, that was what they were shouting out, when the other team went to talk to the umpire.

What's going on.

SanDiegoSteve

SanDiegoSteve

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Meanwhile, wasn't that the most exciting Little League game ever played yesterday? Lorenzo and his 3 3-run jacks and the comeback by Petaluma? I have never witnessed such an entertaining, amazing Little League game! Today's game will likely pale in comparison.

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Meanwhile, wasn't that the most exciting Little League game ever played yesterday? Lorenzo and his 3 3-run jacks and the comeback by Petaluma? I have never witnessed such an entertaining, amazing Little League game! Today's game will likely pale in comparison.

My Facebook status: "And that's why you never leave a baseball game until it's over!"

I bet there's a lot of unhappy fans that left after the top of the 6th.

Yogi wasn't so dumb was he . . .

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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If California would have won that game, would they have been US. champions even though they had lost a game? If so, that format sucks.

If CA had won then there would have been two teams with one loss - and the losses were to each other as TN beat them 9-6 earlier in the tournament. If you played it off you'd have zero pitching available for the championship game.

BTW - If it were a true double-elimination the winner can have a loss - that's why the "if" game in a DE bracket.

Jocko

Jocko

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Similar to SEC tournament. It's possible for the overall winner to have lost to their championship game opponent in bracket play. It's double elim until the championship.

kylejt

kylejt

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It's hard to have IF games with a set championship date. Everything works backwards from BIG game on Sunday, as this is a made for TV event.

The advantage to not losing a game is saving on pitching, It is what it is.

Stan W.

Stan W.

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Once an umpire gets to a tournament, nothing is going to improve that umpire over the course of that week. All I can personally do is try to teach our local umpires the best I can and represent LL the best way I can when I'm personally selected. It'll be a while before that happens again now.

best quote of the thread...............

SanDiegoSteve

SanDiegoSteve

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If California would have won that game, would they have been US. champions even though they had lost a game? If so, that format sucks.

Yes, both California and Tennessee would have each had one loss. California, by having already lost a game, had to travel through the loser's bracket and play a total of 6 games, while Tennessee only had 3 games before the title match. That is why Tennessee had an advantage, in that they had fresh arms to pitch, and that is why it is so important to win all your games at Williamsport.
bam

bam

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A 3 and a half hour LL game is certainly NOT the most exciting game ever played. The last strike missed by a half foot. That HP umpire wanted to get out of Dodge.

Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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A 3 and a half hour LL game is certainly NOT the most exciting game ever played. The last strike missed by a half foot. That HP umpire wanted to get out of Dodge.

Rooting for CA I see.

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