LLWS

[Called3rdStrike]

Where was the cheating?

[basejester]

Does anyone know what inning the obstruction call happened? I want to check it out on ESPN3. Thanks.

Top of second. About 47 minutes in.

http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player?id=538264

[th3]

by cheating i think he was perhaps-jokingly referring to the NJ batter swinging at the IBB pitch

[mjr_2013]

NJ batter just swung at IBB to raise the CA pitchers pitch count in the 6th and the umpire called it a strike .

I wish he would have called it a ball, just to see what the announcers and this board said. lol

[johnnyg08]

That would be awesome in a National League games when they walk the 8 hitter to get to the pitcher that the umpire stops the game and says that they're cheating.

[Thunderheads]

Did anyone catch the 2 botched reviewed plays in the LLWS last night?? First one was the Mexico/Chinese-Taipei ...pickoff play on CT, u1 called him out, and there wasn't (in my eyes) conclusive evidence of him being safe, ...they challenged it and called him safe?!?! Terrible.

Second one was the CT-IN game ....shot down 3rd base line .... LOOK FOUL .....u3 does nothing, then meakly points foul ....throw to first, the runner is safe, ...u1 bangs him out. They review it and ..............wait for it ........THE CALL STANDS....

I don't think the replay is working out

[basejester]

Second one was the CT-IN game ....shot down 3rd base line .... LOOK FOUL .....u3 does nothing, then meakly points foul ....throw to first, the runner is safe, ...u1 bangs him out. They review it and ..............wait for it ........THE CALL STANDS....

I don't think the replay is working out

It was as-if U3 wasn't sure who was making the call. I wasn't really clear on what the call was, even when they announced that whatever it was stood.

[Thunderheads]

Does anyone know what inning the obstruction call happened? I want to check it out on ESPN3. Thanks.

here it is ............ :10 and watch ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvetVkkfSwM

[JaxRolo]

Jeff what's your call on the obs.

I have the fielder making the play and the runner diving at the fielder.

[Dannytheman]

I have OBS all the way. Fielder was standing in the base path without the ball.

[grayhawk]

Finally got a chance to see this one on ESPN3. Thanks for the youtube link Thunderheads, but it didn't show it from all the same angles as the original broadcast. My take:

This one is about as close to 50/50 on a LL obstruction call as you can get. I have no problem with the call made in the game. I would have no problem if someone saw it as a train wreck. The catcher WAS set up "in a position of obstruction" prior to the ball taking him up the line. He wasn't grossly blocking the plate, but something specific to LL is that the fielder must give access the the ENTIRE base/plate. It's not like Fed where the fielder has to only give access to part of the plate. I question F2's need to come up the line and into the path of the runner to glove the throw. If he was set up where he was supposed to be, then it's possible that he could have gloved the throw without getting in the runner's path to the plate.

Also, I do not see the runner doing anything wrong here. He does not have to slide or attempt to get around because F2 was not in possession of the ball waiting to make a tag. He did not try to run over F2, and his hands were merely used in a defensive posture. I am 51/49 in favor of the obstruction call for two reasons. First, PU was there and had a good angle, so I will back him. Second, LL players need to learn that they cannot set up like an MLB catcher without the ball. If they would set up legally to begin with, we would have far fewer collsions and fewer injuries as well.

[JaxRolo]

Looks to me like F2 was setup in front of the plate then had to move to take the throw. The the runner threw his upper body at the catcher.

I also think is 50-50 I can go with the call on the field.

JMHO

[Dannytheman]

Looks to me like F2 was setup in front of the plate then had to move to take the throw. The the runner threw his upper body at the catcher.

I also think is 50-50 I can go with the call on the field.

JMHO

And I respect YHO, completely. I see the catcher not moving as the ball is obviously off line and up the base line toward third. He, the catcher, maintains his position and reaches out for the ball while never giving the basepath to the runner. He should not have been stationed there in the first place. But as is thecase quite a lot, we have the advantage of replay and slo mo to review it.

[carolinablue]

He wasn't grossly blocking the plate, but something specific to LL is that the fielder must give access the the ENTIRE base/plate.

Is this from the RIM? I have a copy but don't have access right now.

[kylejt]

Actually, the RIM says if the off-target throw draws the defender into the runners path, that's a train wreck.

I'm seeing the catcher set up a full step in front of the plate (towards the pitcher) :09 seconds, Then, the throw moves him to his left, in the line of fire.:13 seconds That would be a train wreck. Stop that video in both those spots to see what I mean.

[Dannytheman]

Actually, the RIM says if the off-target throw draws the defender into the runners path, that's a train wreck.

I'm seeing the catcher set up a full step in front of the plate (towards the pitcher) :09 seconds, Then, the throw moves him to his left, in the line of fire.:13 seconds That would be a train wreck. Stop that video in both those spots to see what I mean.

I have to admit you make a valid argument, especially from the angles offered.

[BRUMP]

Actually, the RIM says if the off-target throw draws the defender into the runners path, that's a train wreck.

I'm seeing the catcher set up a full step in front of the plate (towards the pitcher) :09 seconds, Then, the throw moves him to his left, in the line of fire.:13 seconds That would be a train wreck. Stop that video in both those spots to see what I mean.

I agree. I have a train wreck.

[JaxRolo]

Actually, the RIM says if the off-target throw draws the defender into the runners path, that's a train wreck.

I'm seeing the catcher set up a full step in front of the plate (towards the pitcher) :09 seconds, Then, the throw moves him to his left, in the line of fire.:13 seconds That would be a train wreck. Stop that video in both those spots to see what I mean.

I have to admit you make a valid argument, especially from the angles offered.

lol. How come when Kyle said it he is correct. But when I said pretty much the same thing, you just respect my opinion!

😉 lol

[grayhawk]

He wasn't grossly blocking the plate, but something specific to LL is that the fielder must give access the the ENTIRE base/plate.

Is this from the RIM? I have a copy but don't have access right now.

I can't find it in the RIM. It's what I have been taught at several LL clinics run by western region staff. I'll check with them and get back with you.

[Dannytheman]

Actually, the RIM says if the off-target throw draws the defender into the runners path, that's a train wreck.

I'm seeing the catcher set up a full step in front of the plate (towards the pitcher) :09 seconds, Then, the throw moves him to his left, in the line of fire.:13 seconds That would be a train wreck. Stop that video in both those spots to see what I mean.

I have to admit you make a valid argument, especially from the angles offered.

lol. How come when Kyle said it he is correct. But when I said pretty much the same thing, you just respect my opinion!

😉 lol

It's a Coast Guard versus Navy thing.I thought you would get that instantly. :beerbang

I truly looked at the video multiple times. So to make you feel better, YOU WERE RIGHT, too!! :agasp_:

[Jocko]

Coast Guard/Navy...... Tomato/To-mah-to

All a bunch of squids :FIRE:

[JaxRolo]

Coast Guard/Navy...... Tomato/To-mah-to

All a bunch of squids

When I was in Kuwait and it rained we had to call the Coast Guard to take care of the Puddles. :fuel:

[UMP45]

Liked the guy doing the plate in the Tenn./ Texas game. Until he signaled 3 balls 2 strikes with 2 fists! :shrug:

[Jocko]

He's calling balls as loud as strikes, verbal mech way far apart on called k.

His called 3K mechanic is a left jab. A true punch-out.

[Called3rdStrike]

Wy do all the guys who work first base have to act like they need to sell every last call. Double play to end the game beats the runner by two steps and first base acts like its a banger to end game 7 of the WS.