Claytludwigson Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Is okay to have grey laces in my glove for pitching ? https://www.wilson.com/custom/gloves/a2000/1788a/customize/#review Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 834k3r Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 Others may be able to see it, but the link provided doesn't show gray laces to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Claytludwigson Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 Sorry the link isn’t posting. Here’s one similar https://www.hitrunsteal.com/products/11-5-black-with-gray-laces-1-piece-web Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Senor Azul Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 High school rule 1-3-6 states, "The glove/mitt worn by the pitcher that includes the colors white and/or gray shall be removed from the game..." Also see current case plays 1.3.6 situations D, E and F. Pro rule 3.07(a) tells us, "The pitcher's glove may not, exclusive of piping, be white, gray..." It goes on to state that any glove may not be lighter in color than PANTONE 14-series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Claytludwigson Posted January 15 Author Report Share Posted January 15 So this glove would not be okay to pitch with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 SeeingEyeDog Posted January 15 Report Share Posted January 15 24 minutes ago, Claytludwigson said: So this glove would not be okay to pitch with? No, it has gray laces. The colors white and gray outside of piping are not permitted on a pitcher's glove in a game played under NFHS rules... ~Dawg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted January 16 Report Share Posted January 16 Sorry. I would never have that glove removed from the game. My God 🙄 And don't even start about ... "you can't enforce your own rules" ... blah blah blah ..... That's a black glove. If a coach says "hey Jeff, ... he can't use that can he, it's got gray on it" then yes, I would have to have it removed at that point. I've got WAY BIGGER fish to fry than to be looking for gray laces, or piping On edit: One of the dumbest NFHS rules out there, at least from a description perspective. I can see main panels being white or gray a problem, sure, but ... piping ...laces? Please 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Catch18 Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 Sorry. I would never have that glove removed from the game. My God And don't even start about ... "you can't enforce your own rules" ... blah blah blah ..... That's a black glove. If a coach says "hey Jeff, ... he can't use that can he, it's got gray on it" then yes, I would have to have it removed at that point. I've got WAY BIGGER fish to fry than to be looking for gray laces, or piping On edit: One of the dumbest NFHS rules out there, at least from a description perspective. I can see main panels being white or gray a problem, sure, but ... piping ...laces? PleaseI’m inclined to agree. The rule says “cannot have.” So, in effect, we’d have to bounce any glove with a logo, yes? Piping/laces, ok. Pannels/fingers/pocket, nope. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted January 18 Report Share Posted January 18 10 hours ago, Catch18 said: I’m inclined to agree. The rule says “cannot have.” So, in effect, we’d have to bounce any glove with a logo, yes? Piping/laces, ok. Pannels/fingers/pocket, nope. And that's my ON EDIT comment reference. Define what you mean. CANNOT HAVE is ridiculous and WAY too broad. So technically, by rule, ...the EMBLEM of the glove is illegal (Rawlings-Red w/ white/silver threading)? Right? Dumb. Define which part of the glove, be more specific. I understand the rules intent, it just has to be defined 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Catch18 Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I’ll prob add a quick comment at the pregame this year, as we ask about legally & properly equipped, “hey guys, make sure your pitcher doesn’t go out with a white/gray/silver glove. Saw several of these last year, and want to avoid issues.”It’s better than making the kid walk off the mound, give the standard “are you kidding me” shrug, then still explain it to a pissed off coach when they’re trying to warm up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 maven Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I don't see any white or gray. The laces appear to be light black to me. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted January 29 Report Share Posted January 29 I’ll prob add a quick comment at the pregame this year, as we ask about legally & properly equipped, “hey guys, make sure your pitcher doesn’t go out with a white/gray/silver glove. Saw several of these last year, and want to avoid issues.”It’s better than making the kid walk off the mound, give the standard “are you kidding me” shrug, then still explain it to a pissed off coach when they’re trying to warm up.No, no, no.... Don't make a pre-game that detailed. It comes across the wrong way. Plus, this rule isn't 'new'. If you can, and you HAVE TO,.... catch it during warm ups. Sent from my SM-A426U using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 beerguy55 Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 Well, the glove pictured above has the American Flag on it...so that alone would make it illegal I guess. Any ball glove with the MLB logo on it would be illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 1 hour ago, beerguy55 said: Well, the glove pictured above has the American Flag on it...so that alone would make it illegal I guess. Any ball glove with the MLB logo on it would be illegal. And there is the reason the wording for this is so stupid. By rights, all Rawlings mitts would be illegal too. Dumb! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BigBlue4u Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 On 1/29/2024 at 10:18 AM, Thunderheads said: It’s better than making the kid walk off the mound, give the standard “are you kidding me” shrug, then still explain it to a pissed off coach when they’re trying to warm up. No it is not! Thunderheads is correct. Keep the pregame as short as possible. When conducting the pregame meeting, I assume the coaches know what they are doing and know the rules. Do they? Of course not. So, rather go through a brain-numbing list of do's and don'ts I deal with issues as they occur. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 kylehutson Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 57 minutes ago, BigBlue4u said: No it is not! Thunderheads is correct. Keep the pregame as short as possible. When conducting the pregame meeting, I assume the coaches know what they are doing and know the rules. Do they? Of course not. So, rather go through a brain-numbing list of do's and don'ts I deal with issues as they occur. Exactly. ILEGS Introductions Lineups Equipment (NFHS only: "Are your teams legally and properly equipped?") Ground Rules Sportsmanship That's all. Once sentence each unless absolutely necessary. No rules clinics, no waxing poetic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Senor Azul Posted January 30 Report Share Posted January 30 The words "cannot have" do not appear in FED rule 1-3-6. Earlier I posted the relevant portion of the rule that prohibits the colors white and gray on a pitcher's glove. I also cited three current case plays that tell us about laces, piping, and manufacturers' logos. There is a fourth case play--1.3.6 Situation A. It tells us that the pitcher's glove cannot include the colors white or gray and it has to be deemed distracting--umpire judgment. Case play 1.3.6 Situation D tells us that a pitcher cannot use a glove with white or gray piping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Aging_Arbiter Posted January 31 Report Share Posted January 31 Umpire WITH the rulebook..............not BY the rulebook Don't go looking for trouble, it will find you soon enough Don't pick boogers I'm sure there are many MANY more cliches' that you can use. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Man in Blue Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 On 1/30/2024 at 5:51 PM, Senor Azul said: The words "cannot have" do not appear in FED rule 1-3-6. Earlier I posted the relevant portion of the rule that prohibits the colors white and gray on a pitcher's glove. I also cited three current case plays that tell us about laces, piping, and manufacturers' logos. There is a fourth case play--1.3.6 Situation A. It tells us that the pitcher's glove cannot include the colors white or gray and it has to be deemed distracting--umpire judgment. Case play 1.3.6 Situation D tells us that a pitcher cannot use a glove with white or gray piping. I'm going pick a nit . . . 1.3.6A does not say it cannot contain the colors white or gray AND it has to be deemed distracting. The umpire does NOT have judgement on white and gray. I'm using the 2018 (the last one I have digitally), but I can check last year's print version. 1.3.6A says: The comma indicates the distracting clause is a separate case, not a condition of the first. See 1.3.6E and the EXCEPTION to support that. While at it, 1.3.6F emphasizes that even the manufacturer logo containing white is illegal. The glove must be removed, or the white must be covered up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 11 hours ago, The Man in Blue said: I'm going pick a nit . . . 1.3.6A does not say it cannot contain the colors white or gray AND it has to be deemed distracting. The umpire does NOT have judgement on white and gray. I'm using the 2018 (the last one I have digitally), but I can check last year's print version. 1.3.6A says: The comma indicates the distracting clause is a separate case, not a condition of the first. See 1.3.6E and the EXCEPTION to support that. While at it, 1.3.6F emphasizes that even the manufacturer logo containing white is illegal. The glove must be removed, or the white must be covered up. It's funny, .... most of the situations cited here are "discovered by the offense" .... that's where I'm going to leave it during a game. Unless of course, ... he's got a dove-gray and/or white glove. Laces? Logo? LOGO? REALLY? Nope, I'll let the offensive team bring it to my attention, then take it from there. Ridiculous rule 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 beerguy55 Posted February 1 Report Share Posted February 1 14 hours ago, The Man in Blue said: The comma indicates the distracting clause is a separate case, not a condition of the first. Agreed. A glove can be judged to be distracting regardless of its coloring and design. A white glove must be removed, even if the umpire judges it is not distracting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Man in Blue Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 14 hours ago, Thunderheads said: It's funny, .... most of the situations cited here are "discovered by the offense" .... that's where I'm going to leave it during a game. Unless of course, ... he's got a dove-gray and/or white glove. Laces? Logo? LOGO? REALLY? Nope, I'll let the offensive team bring it to my attention, then take it from there. Ridiculous rule Especially since the penalty is just to remove the glove going forward with no change to past play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Thunderheads Posted February 2 Report Share Posted February 2 10 hours ago, The Man in Blue said: Especially since the penalty is just to remove the glove going forward with no change to past play. Very true! Just think about the whole scenario: Conference varsity rivalry, big game. Me: ugh, coach, ...your "number 1" has a glove with a logo that has white on it, so ......" Then guess what ... you're the dickhead umpire that everyone hates, regardless of how good you may be that day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 The Man in Blue Posted February 3 Report Share Posted February 3 If you made it that far before you became the dickhead umpire, it is a good day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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