RLI not called

[goody14]

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Any clue why this is not RLI? Not a quality throw? That is the only reason I can think of.

 

[Thunderheads]

that's RLI .......... ALL ...........DAY............LONG!!!!

I've seen WAY less called RLI in the MLB many many times!  Hmmmmmmm

[scrounge]

RLI to me.....maybe Harold Reynolds secretly did the review.

I'm gonna put this in the "miss" column.

[maven]

It WAS a quality throw: that means, had the runner not been illegally out of the running lane, F3 could have caught the ball.

I have no idea why this was not ruled RLI. Could be a miss.

Harold needs a different hobby horse.

[Jimurray]

It WAS a quality throw: that means, had the runner not been illegally out of the running lane, F3 could have caught the ball.

I have no idea why this was not ruled RLI. Could be a miss.

Harold needs a different hobby horse.

Attending a Jim Evans clinic a few years back I got the impression the he thought the RLI rule was an anachronism. Apparently the PU and Harold agree with him.

[UmpJeff]

Not sure what Chris Conroy was looking at.  I would have loved to have heard his conversation with Farrell.  In any event, that's RLI all day and night.

[ElkOil]

Boy, that's... surprising they missed that.

[NorthTexasUmp]

I think Harold Reynolds should be the new "He who shall not be named"!!

[maven]

I think Harold Reynolds should be the new "He who shall not be named"!!

Reynolds might get more air time than the other one, but all-in, he's not worse.

The playoffs are coming soon, you'll see.

[noumpere]

Reynolds might get more air time than the other one, but all-in, he's not worse.

The playoffs are coming soon, you'll see.

It's a tie in the race to the bottom.

[Nafxos]

It's funny. I was listening to this game on the radio while driving from New Jersey back to Boston, but never saw it until now.  I was listening to the Yankees broadcast, and John Sterling made it sound like F2 made a terrible throw into RF.  Never mentioned that it hit the runner in the helmet.  He also never mentioned that the runner was out of the running lane the entire way. 

[scrounge]

John Sterling = radio Hawk Harrelson

[maven]

It's funny. I was listening to this game on the radio while driving from New Jersey back to Boston, but never saw it until now.  I was listening to the Yankees broadcast, and John Sterling made it sound like F2 made a terrible throw into RF.  Never mentioned that it hit the runner in the helmet.  He also never mentioned that the runner was out of the running lane the entire way. 

Maybe he knows something about the call....

[UmpJeff]

John Sterling = radio Hawk Harrelson

^^^You took the words right out of my fingers!^^^  

[Richvee]

I think Harold Reynolds should be the new "He who shall not be named"!!

I think there's a big difference. Harold at least has a grasp of the rules. He doesn't like the running lane rule, but his reasoning is flawed because he's conveniently leaving out the part that says if you run in the lane you can take that last step out of the lane to touch the bag. HWSNBN is usually completely clueless. 

[Kevin_K]

John Sterling = radio Hawk Harrelson

That's an insult to Harrelson. Just sayin....

As far as RLI goes......the throw seemed to be so far off line that even when it ricocheted off the BR helmet it was still uncatchable (is that a word?) by F3. Of course, that's with the benefit of multiple looks at replay. 

Can't say what would have happened in live action though. Conroy has a much better angle than any of us.

[UmpJeff]

That's an insult to Harrelson. Just sayin....

Any insult slung at Hawk Harrelson is an insult well slung.  Let 'em fly...

[maven]

As far as RLI goes......the throw seemed to be so far off line that even when it ricocheted off the BR helmet it was still uncatchable (is that a word?) by F3. Of course, that's with the benefit of multiple looks at replay. 

I appreciate your being charitable to the PU, but c'mon: F2 was in fair ground, throwing through a runner in fair ground, to F3 positioned in fair ground. The ball struck the runner about 6 feet high on a line to 1B. I have that vector directly at F3's chest when it was deflected.

With a gun to my head, I'd guess that PU didn't know the throw was deflected by hitting the runner — he might have glanced at the runner's feet at contact — and he accordingly ruled that it wasn't a quality throw, so no RLI. If it's not reviewable, his learning later that it WAS a quality throw would require him to eat the call.

[zoops]

I had a kid in the late innings of a tied legion game a couple days lay down a bunt and run at least 5 feet in fair territory but the bunt was pretty hard to the pitcher and he didn't interfere - he even veered toward the throw when it was coming - I said as he crossed the base "that's a good way to ruin a sacrifice 16."  I'm always surprised that coaches at the youth level don't teach their catchers to throw it into the back of the BR if he's inside the line, which they seem to be 90% of the time.  I know I would if I coached...

[Jimurray]

I had a kid in the late innings of a tied legion game a couple days lay down a bunt and run at least 5 feet in fair territory but the bunt was pretty hard to the pitcher and he didn't interfere - he even veered toward the throw when it was coming - I said as he crossed the base "that's a good way to ruin a sacrifice 16."  I'm always surprised that coaches at the youth level don't teach their catchers to throw it into the back of the BR if he's inside the line, which they seem to be 90% of the time.  I know I would if I coached...

They don't because it's not certain they will get the call? Some umps lack rules knowledge, interp knowledge or gonads.

[Rich Ives]

F2 was way inside. F3 was set up inside as he should be. F2's throw was way off line. F3 was moving to get the ball before it hit the runner. Bad bad throw at the MLB level.

[Kevin_K]

I appreciate your being charitable to the PU, but c'mon: F2 was in fair ground, throwing through a runner in fair ground, to F3 positioned in fair ground. The ball struck the runner about 6 feet high on a line to 1B. I have that vector directly at F3's chest when it was deflected.

With a gun to my head, I'd guess that PU didn't know the throw was deflected by hitting the runner — he might have glanced at the runner's feet at contact — and he accordingly ruled that it wasn't a quality throw, so no RLI. If it's not reviewable, his learning later that it WAS a quality throw would require him to eat the call.

If you look at :30 mark that gives a view from 3B side, it seems that the trajectory of the ball is nowhere near the chest of F3. Even when the ball deflects off BR's helmet, it is still to the dugout side of 1B.

But again, this is after a lot of slo-mo replay.

 

[DVA7130]

The announcer and the "worst rule in baseball".......

He has obviously never heard of FED's balk rule. (or most anything in LL).

[Rich Ives]

The announcer and the "worst rule in baseball".......

He has obviously never heard of FED's balk rule. (or most anything in LL).

LL is at least 95% OBR so "most" doesn't apply in my mind.

[DVA7130]

LL is at least 95% OBR so "most" doesn't apply in my mind.

You know I mean their modifications and "special" rules.