Start stop balk

[Thunderheads]

easy one, but they're always good to see as a refresher!

Edited June 8, 2015 by Thunderheads

[grayhawk]

You can't call that with a runner on third!  

[BuckeyeMike]

Not trying to split hairs, just want to know the correct classification of this.   

Is this a start stop or a double set?   Does a double set fall under the umbrella of start/stop?  

When the coach asks what he did, do we get so specific and say he double set or do we keep it general and say it was a start/stop? 

[Thunderheads]

Not trying to split hairs, just want to know the correct classification of this.   

Is this a start stop or a double set?   Does a double set fall under the umbrella of start/stop?  

When the coach asks what he did, do we get so specific and say he double set or do we keep it general and say it was a start/stop? 

​start stop.

[Jimurray]

Not trying to split hairs, just want to know the correct classification of this.   

Is this a start stop or a double set?   Does a double set fall under the umbrella of start/stop?  

When the coach asks what he did, do we get so specific and say he double set or do we keep it general and say it was a start/stop? 

Start stop is a violation of the second clause in old 8.01(b):

"Preparatory to coming to a set position, the pitcher shall have one hand on his side; from this position he shall go to his set position as defined in Rule 8.01(b) without interruption and in one continuous motion."

Note the first clause is a "do not do that" and the second is balked by interp. 

Double stop is balked under old 8.05(a)

[maven]

A double set IS a start/stop balk. After the first set, his motion commits him to do something (pitch or step and throw/feint to a base), so when he stops or sets again it's a balk.

[Jimurray]

Not trying to split hairs, just want to know the correct classification of this.   

Is this a start stop or a double set?   Does a double set fall under the umbrella of start/stop?  

When the coach asks what he did, do we get so specific and say he double set or do we keep it general and say it was a start/stop? 

Where do you see any set in the video, let alone a double one?

[BuckeyeMike]

Yeah, it was late when I typed that.....it's more of a double stretch, not set.  

[goody14]

You can't call that with a runner on third!  

​Man...I had a partner rake me over the coals for this earlier this year. HS pitcher went to mouth on the rubber and I balked him. 

His council was to whisper to the pitcher to step off as he is doing it to avoid the balk.

[indianaumpire15]

I know this is probably the wrong section, just don't want to make a whole other post to ask.  Is the balk in the OP video a balk in FED and NCAA rule sets?

Edited June 17, 2015 by indianaumpire15

[Thunderheads]

I know this is probably the wrong section, just don't want to make a whole other post to ask.  Is the balk in the OP video a balk in FED and NCAA rule sets?

​absolutely

[noumpere]

I know this is probably the wrong section, just don't want to make a whole other post to ask.  Is the balk in the OP video a balk in FED and NCAA rule sets?

​Yes, of course.  It's so blatant, I don't think you can look past it even in Frosh ball.

[Jimurray]

I know this is probably the wrong section, just don't want to make a whole other post to ask.  Is the balk in the OP video a balk in FED and NCAA rule sets?

FED and NCAA actually penalize the failure to come set in a continuous motion by rule. OBR penalizes it by interp. 

[indianaumpire15]

Thanks guy.  Never had to call it in a FED setting before, only in men's league which plays straight OBR.  I actually found the ruling in the NFHS rule book under set position paragraph.

[maven]

I know this is probably the wrong section, just don't want to make a whole other post to ask.  Is the balk in the OP video a balk in FED and NCAA rule sets?

​Thanks for not using a whole thread for this, Warren is running out of threads for 2015, and it's only June!

Or: it will save paper when somebody's grandparents print out the internet.

I keed, I keed.