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Guest Frank Giunta

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

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grayhawk
grayhawk

Completely, 100% inappropriate.  For all you know, the umpire is a cardiothoracic surgeon, or an aerospace engineer or a highly respected philanthropist in his community.  Just because he volunteers t

johnnyg08
johnnyg08

I think you missed the call

maven
maven

You don't know me or what I would do. I'm not really a "go nuts" kinda guy.   This umpire misapplied a rule in a youth baseball game. I guess some folks have trouble keeping that basic fact in view.

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blue23ll

blue23ll

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In your case, the ball hits a bat just laying on the field, its like hitting a rock, there are no foreign objects in fair territory. The bat can't interfere without human intervention.

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maven

maven

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6.05(h) does not apply for 2 reasons: (1) it applies when bat hits ball, not when ball hits bat, and (2) it concerns a batted ball not a thrown ball.

 

A smart F2 will move the bat. If you have the opportunity to do so, you can move it. Otherwise, play the bounce. Nothing illegal here.

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noumpere

noumpere

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I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

 

I give you credit for looking. (seriously)

 

Unfortunately, what you didn't find gives you the answer you don't want to hear.

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grayhawk

grayhawk

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Agree with the others.  Also, even though the call was incorrect, it's no excuse for unsportsmanlike behavior of the coaches.  Please fill in those details so we can discuss the ejections.

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Larry in TN

Larry in TN

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Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play.

 

I'm confused by this sentence.  Are you saying that the ball was still in the air when it hit the bat?  i.e. Someone threw the bat as the throw was coming into home?  Or was the bat just lying on the ground when the throw hit it?

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew  missed the out call. :no:

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

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BRUMP

BRUMP

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew the out call.

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

spoken like a true coach

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew the out call.

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

spoken like a true coach

 

 

That's our job. Deal with it.

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Richvee

Richvee

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If he called the batter out (3rd out) and disallowed the 2 runs in a close game, if I was the OC, there's a real good chance I'd get tossed here too. 

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Richvee

Richvee

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Getting EJ'd in little league?  I don't care how poor of a call it was.

 

#douche

Ahh..I missed the LL part. LL is no place to argue calls. 

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maven

maven

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew the out call.

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

spoken like a true coach

 

 

That's our job. Deal with it.

 

 

Sorry, could you clarify? Are you saying it's your job to get really upset, to go nuts, or to try to get tossed when calls don't go your way?

 

I guess I know little about coaching...always thought it had something to do with teaching the game and modeling adult behavior...

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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Getting EJ'd in little league?  I don't care how poor of a call it was.

 

#douche

 

LL rule book covers the LL divisions all the way up to 18 (Big League).

 

The toss is what forced the poster to go looking and come here. A post-game discussion probably wouldn't. Objective achieved.

 

I've had plenty of post-game discussion with our volunteers where the umpire brushed me off. That's why I decided to get a lot more knowledge of the rules. Now they listen.

 

If we'd used hired guns they would have escaped or refused to discuss - that IS your recommended response to coaches is it not? Really beneficial to both parties isn't it?

 

And there's an immediate downside for the team. The manager and coach are now suspended for a game. Leaves the team with only one adult for the next game.

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew the out call.

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

spoken like a true coach

 

 

That's our job. Deal with it.

 

 

Sorry, could you clarify? Are you saying it's your job to get really upset, to go nuts, or to try to get tossed when calls don't go your way?

 

I guess I know little about coaching...always thought it had something to do with teaching the game and modeling adult behavior...

 

 

You'd go nuts too.  It's about THIS PARTICULAR CALL, not all calls. This one isn't about a banger that went the wrong way. This particular one is flat out absolutely positively wrong call that just about everyone knows is wrong and it cost two runs and an out and the poster wouldn't correct it. Don't kid yourself - you'd go nuts too.

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Rich Ives

Rich Ives

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew  missed the out call. :no:

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

 

 

WHO EDITED MY POST?

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maven

maven

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You'd go nuts too.  It's about THIS PARTICULAR CALL, not all calls. This one isn't about a banger that went the wrong way. This particular one is flat out absolutely positively wrong call that just about everyone knows is wrong and it cost two runs and an out and the poster wouldn't correct it. Don't kid yourself - you'd go nuts too.

You don't know me or what I would do. I'm not really a "go nuts" kinda guy.

 

This umpire misapplied a rule in a youth baseball game. I guess some folks have trouble keeping that basic fact in view.

 

As you know that error is protestable in leagues that allow protests. If I couldn't protest it and could not persuade the umpire to fix his call, I'd treat it like any other misfortune beyond my control.

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johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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2 out, runners 2nd & 3rd.

Batter hits ball to left center, R3 scores. R2 rounds 3rd. LF throws ball to plate.  Play emanate. Ball in the air hits bat thrown on the field by batter 6 feet in front of the plate in play. 

I called offensive interference batter out.

This call resulted in the ejections of both the third base coach and manager for unsportsmanlike conduct.

 

I could not find this anywhere in the LL rules.

 

Is my ruling correct?

 

It is covered in the MLB 6.05 (h)

 

Does the mlb rule apply when not mentioned the LL rulebook?

 

Please help

 

You blew  missed the out call. :no:

 

Did you allow the runs?

 

I can see the coaches getting upset with an out call but really going nuts if you disallowed the runs.

 

Might be worth getting tossed.

 

 

 

WHO EDITED MY POST?

 

 

 

Not me, but whomever did, I thank.   

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johnnyg08

johnnyg08

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You'd go nuts too.  It's about THIS PARTICULAR CALL, not all calls. This one isn't about a banger that went the wrong way. This particular one is flat out absolutely positively wrong call that just about everyone knows is wrong and it cost two runs and an out and the poster wouldn't correct it. Don't kid yourself - you'd go nuts too.

You don't know me or what I would do. I'm not really a "go nuts" kinda guy.

 

This umpire misapplied a rule in a youth baseball game. I guess some folks have trouble keeping that basic fact in view.

 

As you know that error is protestable in leagues that allow protests. If I couldn't protest it and could not persuade the umpire to fix his call, I'd treat it like any other misfortune beyond my control.

 

 

Teaching the kids about how to deal with adversity by not coming unglued is a far more important lesson in youth baseball. 

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LRZ

LRZ

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Rich, I respectfully disagree that it's appropriate to go nuts, no matter how wrong the call--especially in young/youth sports. Having been an intense (some might have said crazed) coach--think episodes that would have made Bobby Knight proud--I've been there. But I came to realize that it did no one any good to rant and rave. Question the call, but ballistics only have a role in national defense, not youth sports. Take a deep breath, then use the episode as a lesson for your kids, as others have suggested.

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noumpere

noumpere

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Not me, but whomever did, I thank.   

 

 

I think it's wrong to edit someone else's post -- at least in this case (if there's blatant profanity or slurs or something, maybe.)

 

If you want to disagree with what Rich said, then make that point -- don't just change his words.

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BalkHawk

BalkHawk

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@cheese-eating troll,

A manager's job does consist of checks and balances on the umpires' application of the rules.

Perhaps, if the manager in op had walked out like a gentleman and offered his understanding of the bat being hit vs. the bat being thrown at the ball, the umpire could have reconsidered.

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