World Series: On the exchange? Yes? No.

[scrounge]

 

 

So did Demuth ask for help on this or did someone go to him and tell him he blew it and had better fix it?

 

 

They didn't quite run in, but they seemed to have converged pretty quickly, as in "Dude, it's the first inning of the first game - you blew it, get us off the cover of Deadspin and change it now!"

[ricka56]

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

[Texas Manny]

How funny. Most of the headlines this morning are crediting the Boston win to Dana Demuth's missed call and consequent overturn by the Crew Chief, John Hirshbeck. Unbelievable. Yeah, they are giving the umpires credit for getting the call right, but are complaining up a storm that they conferred on the field and overturned the call, citing this just isn't done.

 

Confer and get it right and you can't win. Don't confer and you can't win. Baseball is doomed with IR.

[Fittske24]

Looks like he "chased" that DP a bit. I would have liked to have seen him stay put and shade the 1st base side of 2B more on a ball hit to the right side of the infield. This would have allowed him to be on the glove side for the catch. This also would have made it easier to see the "ball in glove" and the exchange.  I also think he was a bit too close for this force play at 2B.

[ricka56]

How funny. Most of the headlines this morning are crediting the Boston win to Dana Demuth's missed call and consequent overturn by the Crew Chief, John Hirshbeck. Unbelievable.

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

[Rich Ives]

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

[scrounge]

How funny. Most of the headlines this morning are crediting the Boston win to Dana Demuth's missed call and consequent overturn by the Crew Chief, John Hirshbeck. Unbelievable. Yeah, they are giving the umpires credit for getting the call right, but are complaining up a storm that they conferred on the field and overturned the call, citing this just isn't done.

 

Confer and get it right and you can't win. Don't confer and you can't win. Baseball is doomed with IR.

 

I guess I'm seeing different headlines, but I haven't seen story one that credited the win to the missed call or criticized the umpires for reversing the call.

[Rich Ives]

 

How funny. Most of the headlines this morning are crediting the Boston win to Dana Demuth's missed call and consequent overturn by the Crew Chief, John Hirshbeck. Unbelievable.

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

 

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

[Rich Ives]

 

How funny. Most of the headlines this morning are crediting the Boston win to Dana Demuth's missed call and consequent overturn by the Crew Chief, John Hirshbeck. Unbelievable. Yeah, they are giving the umpires credit for getting the call right, but are complaining up a storm that they conferred on the field and overturned the call, citing this just isn't done.

 

Confer and get it right and you can't win. Don't confer and you can't win. Baseball is doomed with IR.

 

I guess I'm seeing different headlines, but I haven't seen story one that credited the win to the missed call or criticized the umpires for reversing the call.

 

 

The stories I've seen so far are all about the Cards playing like Little Leaguers - which is an insult to Little Leaguers.

[Maineac]

^{Good information here from the pool reporter who interviewed the umpires after the game:}

 

^{http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=93868}

[ricka56]

 

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

 

Really ??? I didn't know that. I left after Lola's last scene.

 

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

Sure, if you want to take the risk of him writing 20 paragraghs about how his dad wouldn't know a joke if it bit him on the arse.

[Mudder]

^{Good information here from the pool reporter who interviewed the umpires after the game:}

 

^{http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=93868}

 

Thats very interesting to read....  Torre confirmed it last night during the game as well, but the crew just kind of converged, unsolicited by Demuth, doesn't that fly in the face that we're always told not to approach our partner's on a controversial call unless he asks, unless you signal him I guess that you "have some info"

[scrounge]

 

^{Good information here from the pool reporter who interviewed the umpires after the game:}

 

^{http://www.asapsports.com/show_interview.php?id=93868}

 

Thats very interesting to read....  Torre confirmed it last night during the game as well, but the crew just kind of converged, unsolicited by Demuth, doesn't that fly in the face that we're always told not to approach our partner's on a controversial call unless he asks, unless you signal him I guess that you "have some info"

 

 

As a general rule that's entirely true, but in Game 1, inning 1 of the World Series, with every HD camera angle being covered and a call that big and that egregiously missed, it's the valid exception to the rule.

[grayhawk]

A local radio guy was blasting DeMuth this morning saying that he shouldn't be an MLB umpire if he can miss easy calls like this one.  Saying he's the closest one to the play and everyone in the whole stadium saw that the throw wasn't caught.  I called in and tried to bring some logic and reason to the conversation, but he cut me off before I could really say what I wanted to say.

 

Funny thing about this play is that Pedroia didn't even bat an eye at the call.  You see him mimic the "on the transfer" mechanic, nod his head and trot off.

 

Should this call get missed?  Of course not.  But for a radiohead to say that he just doesn't understand how it could possibly be missed shows his ignorance.  He was a little too close and was too focused on the bag.  By the time his eyes travelled up to the glove, the ball was out and the throwing hand was in motion.  At full speed, without a good peripheral view of the glove, I can easily see how he thought it was on the transfer.

 

Also, that catch gets made 99.9% of the time at the MLB level.  It seems that umpires miss calls more frequently when the players do something that is so far out of the ordinary for their level of play.  This was one of those times.

 

Let's also put to rest the notion that managers just want the calls to be correct.  Matheny was more concerned with the call going against him, even though it was right in the end, than them getting it right.  All managers care about is getting things to go their way, even if it's wrong.

[scrounge]

If DeMuth shouldn't be an MLB umpire because he missed that call, then Kozma shouldn't be an MLB shortstop for dropping such an easy toss. They both made errors - but at least DeMuth's can be corrected. Don't make the first boneheaded error and we never get to the second.

[grayhawk]

If DeMuth shouldn't be an MLB umpire because he missed that call, then Kozma shouldn't be an MLB shortstop for dropping such an easy toss. They both made errors - but at least DeMuth's can be corrected. Don't make the first boneheaded error and we never get to the second.

 

That was one of the points I was trying to make.  You can also throw Wainwright and Molina out with Kozma for letting that pop-up drop between them.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

 

Really ??? I didn't know that. I left after Lola's last scene.

 

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

Sure, if you want to take the risk of him writing 20 paragraghs about how his dad wouldn't know a joke if it bit him on the arse.

 

 

 

You don't like "jokes" about umpires.  Journalists don't like "jokes" about journalism.

 

Or is it OK to insult someone else's profession?

 

I guess you must think so because the officiating forums are full of insults of players and coaches.

 

So if it's OK to insult someone else's profession it's OK for others to insult yours.

 

Deal?

[scrounge]

Just as long as we can keep making jokes about lawyers. Even hookers make jokes about lawyers.

[maineump]

A local radio guy was blasting DeMuth this morning saying that he shouldn't be an MLB umpire if he can miss easy calls like this one.  Saying he's the closest one to the play and everyone in the whole stadium saw that the throw wasn't caught.  I called in and tried to bring some logic and reason to the conversation, but he cut me off before I could really say what I wanted to say.

 

Funny thing about this play is that Pedroia didn't even bat an eye at the call.  You see him mimic the "on the transfer" mechanic, nod his head and trot off.

 

Should this call get missed?  Of course not.  But for a radiohead to say that he just doesn't understand how it could possibly be missed shows his ignorance.  He was a little too close and was too focused on the bag.  By the time his eyes travelled up to the glove, the ball was out and the throwing hand was in motion.  At full speed, without a good peripheral view of the glove, I can easily see how he thought it was on the transfer.

 

Also, that catch gets made 99.9% of the time at the MLB level.  It seems that umpires miss calls more frequently when the players do something that is so far out of the ordinary for their level of play.  This was one of those times.

 

Let's also put to rest the notion that managers just want the calls to be correct.  Matheny was more concerned with the call going against him, even though it was right in the end, than them getting it right.  All managers care about is getting things to go their way, even if it's wrong.

How does Metheny see the ball that the pitcher waved everyone off on and then letting the ball drop between him and the catcher? Umps fault? 

I understand why Pedroia did what he did - he wasn't watching the ball, he was watching the feet of the SS to break up the DP. The crew did the right thing, no matter if they were asked or came together on their own - they got it right. People make mistakes, but it was corrected - play on!

The press and fans need a reality check, this play didn't make the Cards get just 1 run.

Next they will want to use replay on check swings!!

[CentralOhioUmp30]

 

 

 

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

 

Really ??? I didn't know that. I left after Lola's last scene.

 

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

Sure, if you want to take the risk of him writing 20 paragraghs about how his dad wouldn't know a joke if it bit him on the arse.

 

 

 

You don't like "jokes" about umpires.  Journalists don't like "jokes" about journalism.

 

Or is it OK to insult someone else's profession?

 

I guess you must think so because the officiating forums are full of insults of players and coaches.

 

So if it's OK to insult someone else's profession it's OK for others to insult yours.

 

Deal?

 

Journalism, especially about politics, in this country is a joke.  Thought that was common knowledge.

Used to be a valued and respectable profession, but the "professionals" in the profession have ruined it for the most part.

[Rich Ives]

 

 

 

 

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

 

Really ??? I didn't know that. I left after Lola's last scene.

 

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

Sure, if you want to take the risk of him writing 20 paragraghs about how his dad wouldn't know a joke if it bit him on the arse.

 

 

 

You don't like "jokes" about umpires.  Journalists don't like "jokes" about journalism.

 

Or is it OK to insult someone else's profession?

 

I guess you must think so because the officiating forums are full of insults of players and coaches.

 

So if it's OK to insult someone else's profession it's OK for others to insult yours.

 

Deal?

 

Journalism, especially about politics, in this country is a joke.  Thought that was common knowledge.

Used to be a valued and respectable profession, but the "professionals" in the profession have ruined it for the most part.

 

 

It's only a joke on Fox.

 

Try reading a respectable source.

[Rich Ives]

 

A local radio guy was blasting DeMuth this morning saying that he shouldn't be an MLB umpire if he can miss easy calls like this one.  Saying he's the closest one to the play and everyone in the whole stadium saw that the throw wasn't caught.  I called in and tried to bring some logic and reason to the conversation, but he cut me off before I could really say what I wanted to say.

 

Funny thing about this play is that Pedroia didn't even bat an eye at the call.  You see him mimic the "on the transfer" mechanic, nod his head and trot off.

 

Should this call get missed?  Of course not.  But for a radiohead to say that he just doesn't understand how it could possibly be missed shows his ignorance.  He was a little too close and was too focused on the bag.  By the time his eyes travelled up to the glove, the ball was out and the throwing hand was in motion.  At full speed, without a good peripheral view of the glove, I can easily see how he thought it was on the transfer.

 

Also, that catch gets made 99.9% of the time at the MLB level.  It seems that umpires miss calls more frequently when the players do something that is so far out of the ordinary for their level of play.  This was one of those times.

 

Let's also put to rest the notion that managers just want the calls to be correct.  Matheny was more concerned with the call going against him, even though it was right in the end, than them getting it right.  All managers care about is getting things to go their way, even if it's wrong.

How does Metheny see the ball that the pitcher waved everyone off on and then letting the ball drop between him and the catcher? Umps fault? 

I understand why Pedroia did what he did - he wasn't watching the ball, he was watching the feet of the SS to break up the DP. The crew did the right thing, no matter if they were asked or came together on their own - they got it right. People make mistakes, but it was corrected - play on!

The press and fans need a reality check, this play didn't make the Cards get just 1 run.

Next they will want to use replay on check swings!!

 

 

It wasn't a wave-off. It was  HEY -WHAT?!

 

Pitcher's in MLB are not supposed to catch pop-ups. He was asking "who's getting this"?

[th3]

I think that the fact that DeMuth went to the transfer mechanic was worse than him missing the call itself. Believe me, I know that feeling of deer in the headlights and selling something that maybe i didn;t see to save face - but i never feel good about it. I,m sure he doesn't either. 

[ricka56]

 

 

Journalism, especially about politics, in this country is a joke.  Thought that was common knowledge.

Used to be a valued and respectable profession, but the "professionals" in the profession have ruined it for the most part.

 

It's only a joke on Fox.

 

Try reading a respectable source.

 

I concede. That was the funniest post on this thread, you win. You had me (at least) believing you were outraged and then pulled the rug out from under us with a dumbass liberal joke...Brilliant, Well played. I won't ever underestimate your comedic talent again.

[scrounge]

 

 

 

 

 

Somebody's gonna turn this play into a sure-fire broadway hit about a long-suffereing amateur umpire who says, "I'd sell my soul to be a MLB umpire". The devil then appears and offers him exactly that, but it will cost him his soul and the worse call anyone has ever seen in a WS game. They'll call it Damn Umpires.

 

Except Joe Hardy opted out at the end and still achieved his goal.

 

Really ??? I didn't know that. I left after Lola's last scene.

 

 

School of Journalism motto: Never let the facts screw up a good story.

 

My son is a student at Newhouse. Want me to get him to come here and do a 20 paragraph rant about your comment?

Sure, if you want to take the risk of him writing 20 paragraghs about how his dad wouldn't know a joke if it bit him on the arse.

 

 

 

You don't like "jokes" about umpires.  Journalists don't like "jokes" about journalism.

 

Or is it OK to insult someone else's profession?

 

I guess you must think so because the officiating forums are full of insults of players and coaches.

 

So if it's OK to insult someone else's profession it's OK for others to insult yours.

 

Deal?

 

Journalism, especially about politics, in this country is a joke.  Thought that was common knowledge.

Used to be a valued and respectable profession, but the "professionals" in the profession have ruined it for the most part.

 

 

It's only a joke on Fox.

 

Try reading a respectable source.

 

 

Here we go...