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noumpere
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The default on this play has to be an out -- so get the out unless you SEE the miss, not get the safe unless you SEE the touch.

HeadHunterLA
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Exactly, horrible decision making on the part of the umpire, fielder makes a great play on a hard hit ball, clearly beats the runner to first and you make that call?  Someone needs a day or two off fo

JaxRolo

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Thunderheads

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

JaxRolo

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

I would have been in the same spot. Just saying you can't make that call from behind the fielder.

Thunderheads

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

I would have been in the same spot. Just saying you can't make that call from behind the fielder.

 

OK .... so you're saying he's got to call him out because of where he is?

Mike Prince

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I don't think he could have gotten in any better position as F3 was in that path.  Perhaps move towards foul territory to get any angle on it?

 

Agree this has to be an out.  Calling the safe here is a bit of booger picking.

 

Funniest part of the video is watching Scoscia trying to make it out there, surprised he made it...

JaxRolo

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

I would have been in the same spot. Just saying you can't make that call from behind the fielder.

 

OK .... so you're saying he's got to call him out because of where he is?

 

All Day long!

JaxRolo

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Ok Rolando ....

 

but ..... he didn't see his foot touch?

 

Ohhh the enigma! LOL :D:wave:

How could he be sure looking at the back of the foot!

Thunderheads

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Ok Rolando ....

 

but ..... he didn't see his foot touch?

 

Ohhh the enigma! LOL :D:wave:

How could he be sure looking at the back of the foot!

 

exactly .........

Umpire in Chief

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Okay, I'm not trying to make excuses, but Trumbo should make it painfully evident he touched the bag. But yes, it appears it was a missed call.

 

What could he have done better???

Gain Angle vs distance on the bag - Not sure if he could have gotten enough angle.

Be set - Possibly

Thunderheads

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Okay, I'm not trying to make excuses, but Trumbo should make it painfully evident he touched the bag. But yes, it appears it was a missed call.

 

What could he have done better???

Gain Angle vs distance on the bag - Not sure if he could have gotten enough angle.

Be set - Possibly

Warren, good question .......

How about going into foul territory in this situation?  Seems harmless, yes?  No throw ....2 fast guys coming hard,....shorter distance to where you need to be ....just a thought

Fittske24

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I don’t think being straight-lined is the issue here. the angle he takes is the correct one....a few steps off the line into fair territory. The biggest issue I see is him not getting set to see the play. The first baseman is moving, the runner is moving, and the umpire is moving. If he takes a few aggressive steps off the line, and then gets set, he sees this play much better.

Thunderheads

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I don’t think being straight-lined is the issue here. the angle he takes is the correct one....a few steps off the line into fair territory. The biggest issue I see is him not getting set to see the play. The first baseman is moving, the runner is moving, and the umpire is moving. If he takes a few aggressive steps off the line, and then gets set, he sees this play much better.

While I can certainly see where this makes sense ...........would it also depend on where he "stops" ??   There is a photo somewhere that shows all 3 perfeclty in line with each other....I'll try to find it.

My point; if he stops, couldn't he still be straight-lined?

 

HERE IT IS :

umpire-scott-barry.jpg

 

Mike Prince

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Even though the three are in a straight line, I wouldn't say he is "straightlined" here, he clearly has an angle to see the foot touch the bag.  But he is still moving as you can see by where his feet are in the picture.

Thunderheads

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Even though the three are in a straight line, I wouldn't say he is "straightlined" here, he clearly has an angle to see the foot touch the bag.  But he is still moving as you can see by where his feet are in the picture.

he can see his "toe"?  he can obviously see his leg and foot, but the angle to see his toe hit the bag is what I'm referring to (does that make sense?) :shrug:

 

And no, ... I'm not saying he SHOULD have called what he called, ....I'm just using this as a positioning thingy-do :D ....

 

Trumbo ...sort of caused this too ;)

Mike Prince

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With the angle in the picture, I'm saying I think he could see the toe, yes.  I also have the benefit of replay where you can clearly see the front of the shoe bend up as it hits the bag so I am thinking he could see that too.  Did he, obviously not.

 

I think he may have anticipated this would be a toss to a covering F1 for the out and he got surprised when Trumbo took off for the bag.  So he was late getting to his spot.

 

If he was set, perhaps he gets this right.  Lots of things moving at once including the umpire.

Fittske24

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I don’t think being straight-lined is the issue here. the angle he takes is the correct one....a few steps off the line into fair territory. The biggest issue I see is him not getting set to see the play. The first baseman is moving, the runner is moving, and the umpire is moving. If he takes a few aggressive steps off the line, and then gets set, he sees this play much better.

While I can certainly see where this makes sense ...........would it also depend on where he "stops" ??   There is a photo somewhere that shows all 3 perfeclty in line with each other....I'll try to find it.

My point; if he stops, couldn't he still be straight-lined?

 

HERE IT IS :

umpire-scott-barry.jpg

 

For the elements of this play, this is not straight-lined. If this were a “tag†play, meaning ball in glove attempting to tag the runner, then yes he would be straight-lined. The elements of this play are F3 attempting an unassisted put out of the BR before BR reaching 1st. As the umpire, the only thing you need to see is does F3 touch the bag before the BR. Actually, I think the angle displayed in the photo above is perfect assuming U1 gets set. Moving on this play can and will cause you to miss something as your eyes move up and down as the play terminates.

 

 

 

Thunderheads

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Ok, ...fair enough Fittske .... but .... isn't the toe touching the bag in essence "the tag"? ;)  [not being a jerk, just analyzing]

 

One last question though:

 

Hypothetically, lets' say Barry stops where he is in that still shot, .... are you saying that because he's stopped he sees the toe?

 

If so, I'm not too sure

noumpere

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

The default on this play has to be an out -- so get the out unless you SEE the miss, not get the safe unless you SEE the touch.

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HeadHunterLA

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

The default on this play has to be an out -- so get the out unless you SEE the miss, not get the safe unless you SEE the touch.

 

Exactly, horrible decision making on the part of the umpire, fielder makes a great play on a hard hit ball, clearly beats the runner to first and you make that call?  Someone needs a day or two off for inner contemplation me thinks.  :smachhead:

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GoodOldGus

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Wow, How can he make a call like that from behind the fielder. :shakehead:

Where would you have gone Rolando?  Honest question .....

 

And, I'm assuming you're saying that he's behind the fielder and couldn't see the touch?

 

The default on this play has to be an out -- so get the out unless you SEE the miss, not get the safe unless you SEE the touch.

 

Exactly, horrible decision making on the part of the umpire, fielder makes a great play on a hard hit ball, clearly beats the runner to first and you make that call?  Someone needs a day or two off for inner contemplation me thinks.  :smachhead:

 

 

Completely agree with the last two posts.  It's real similar to a tag play when the throw beats the runner by a considerable amount......default is OUT, unless there is a glaringly obvious reason for SAFE.

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