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The Official Launch All-Star Cobalt line of umpire gear will be on Thursday 8PM EDT! Tune in to hear directly from AllStar’s Director of Product Development Stan Jurga Jr.
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I'm thinking of getting one but pricing and opinions are hugely variable. I'm more than happy with my current F3v2 mask as my daily driver, so to speak, but I'm still concerned about broken bats and other flying objects that could hit me in the side of the head, so I've been contemplating biting the bullet and grabbing a HSM to use in higher-level wood bat leagues. So far the ones in contention are (in order of preference) the F3v2 Defender HSM, the All-Star MVP4000, and the Wilson MLB Pro Stock. From my perspective, the F3v2 still has the upper hand because of the springs and the extra bit of steel that extends over the forehead area, à la Gary Cederstrom's custom Wilson cage, not to mention it's over $100 cheaper than the All-Star. I'm not terribly concerned about more weight from the HSM as I didn't find the extra weight much of an issue when I switched from my +POS Zero-G to the F3v2 so I suspect I'll be fine going to the heavier HSM-style anyway. Anyone have experience with any of these masks? Things I should know that I might have missed or might not have thought about?
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All-Star Throat Guard - Magnesium (for the FM4000)
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Anyone interested in my FM4000 throat guard? It's seen a little wear, and it does have some "graying" ala the FM4000 finish. These retail for $30: http://www.ump-attire.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=TG4000&Category_Code=FACE-MASK-ACCESSORIES&Product_Count=2 $20 shipped, or best offer, ... paypal only Please PM me if interested, thanks!- 3 replies
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I have been seeing more guys in the pros wearing the All-Star FM4000. I have heard many good things i.e lightweight, durable, comfortable to wear. However, I have also heard many negative things about the mask i.e sparks fly when you get hit, the upper bar does not extend far enough out leaving umpires vulnerable. I know I have seen some guys wearing a matte skull cap with it. I like many of the positives but am concerned about some of the negatives. Two things: I am interested to hear what everyone's thoughts are about the mask Have you found anything that backs up or disputes the cons of the mask? Thanks guys!
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In viewing clips of pitches and hits on mlb.tv, I have noticed a trend – MLB umpires are opting to a wider variety of masks rather than the default, formerly supplied Wilson DynaLite. We’re still seeing guys use the Wilson DynAlum and the occasional Wilson Titanium (Way Too) Low Profile, and there are those still relying on their Nike Icon Titaniums, but we’re also seeing increased numbers of Mizunos, Force3 Defenders, and All-Star FM4000MAGs. I’m sincerely wondering when that “paradigm shift” or “break point” is going to occur, when it is open season on branding gear with attributed logos instead of hiding, obscuring, or flat-out lying so as to appease a company that lethargically refuses to progressively protect their “sponsored” representatives. Because a knocked-off mask is viewed as a “failed mask”, MLB umpires – wearing Wilson -marked masks especially – are directed to wear their masks far too tight. Well, coincidentally, this plays right into Force3’s strengths, as the reactive spring suspension functions best when the mask is worn snugly. It’s just a shame that Force3 doesn’t receive due credit!
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All .... Here is a pair of All-Star LGU 2000 17" leg guards. Used pretty extensively, but still have some life. Make an offer I also have 2 UN-USED Shock Doctor standard cups that came with the Shock Doctor Leggings that Ump-Attire used to sell. Perfect if you have a bunch of young umpires just starting out. PM with interest ....... Paypal friends and family only Thanks .........
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Hey guys, there are a lot of members here who are mask addicted so I just thought I'd post some weights of some of the popular mask frames and accessories that I have, have had or tried. It might help you choose a back-up or lighten up your current rig a little. Every little bit helps. Though I can't attest to perfect calibration on my scale, I am using the same scale for each item so the differences in weight by comparison should be very accurate. Everything here is listed down from lighter to heaviest. Also, if you guys want to 'weigh in' your own items that aren't listed here, feel free. Frames Nike Titanium - 11.1 oz Rawlings Titanium - 11.5 oz +POS ZeroG - 12.5 oz All-Star FM25 Hollow Steel (with vinyl coating) - 14.6 oz Wilson Chrome Moliben (without vinyl coating) - 15.2 oz Wilson Dynalite Catcher/Umpire (with vinyl coating) - 18.7 oz Pads Diamond Quik-Dry Vinyl (Not 50/50 pads) (upper) - 0.9, (lower) - 1.3 oz +POS black mesh (upper) - 1.0 oz, (lower) - 1.4 oz +POS smooth tan leather (upper) - 1.0oz, (lower) - 1.4oz Nike (upper) - 1.1 oz, (lower) - 1.8oz All-Star Mesh (upper) - 1.6 oz, (lower) - 1.4 oz (Yep, I checked it twice, the upper is heavier than the lower pad) +POS new Classic Brown Leather (upper) - 1.4 oz, (lower) - 2.0 oz Rawlings LWMXTI (upper) - 1.8 oz, (Lower) - 2.1 oz Wilson Amara Suede (upper) - 1.9, (lower) - 2.6 oz Wilson Black Leather Wrap-around (upper) - 2.6 oz, (lower) - 3.9 oz Harness (es) (Harnessi?!) Rawlings Ti - 1.2 oz All-Star Delta - 1.3 oz +POS lite - 1.3 oz Nike - 1.5 oz Wilson - 1.6oz
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To All, Another fantastic experience with customer service associated with our chosen Profession/Hobby! I ordered the All-Star MVP2510m (small head) Catcher/Umpire helmet on Sunday of this week (3/6/17). I received the helmet today (3/10/17). After examination of the helmet I discovered a gouge in the plastic. Almost as if they started to drill the hole for the screw in the wrong place, and purple paint on the silver guard. I contacted All-Star and spoke to Lisa. She had me send her the pictures of the defects. I let them know that I intended to use the mask as is on Tuesday. The spots aren't detrimental to the functionality of the mask. I just wanted to let them know, so they can be aware incase someone else has something like this. They advised me that they are sending me a new helmet and I can keep this one as a backup. Between All-Star and Force3, they have made this years experiences amazing getting ready for season and during the start of this season. http://all-starsports.com/mvp2500m.html Thanks All-Star!! Brent
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The FM4000's design is inspired by the MVP2500 and MVP4000 cages, which are known for offering the absolute best vision and deflective properties. This single bar facemask features a strong vertical center bar right in the front/center of the mask, positioned in such a way to make it virtually invisible when worn. The curved forehead (See top view) allows for more padding to come in contact with the umpire's head to help disperse impacts. The steel wire used to make this mask is hollow. Not only does it reduce the weight but at the same time increases the cage's strength. This cage also features our I-BAR VISION™ construction, where the horizontal bars around the eyes are flat for increased vision. LUC pads are lightweight and wrapped in moisture wicking material that doesn't pull or snag facial hair scruff. These pads are also machine washable, just let them air dry. Traditional Harness included. WEIGHT: 17oz This product is available at Ump-Attire.com.
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Hi all ... Odd request, but ....this forum has so much, I figured it's worth the question I'm looking for just a chin strap of a red bottom All-Star pad like the photo below .....thanks
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For the 2016 season, All-Star supplied one of its marquee sponsored catchers, Jonathan Lucroy, with a FM4000 mask. In the past, Lucroy had utilized the latest titanium models All-Star offered, typically the venerable FM25. This particular FM4000 looked a bit strange, though, appearing to have tin-foil clad ear struts and some of the cleanest welds I'd ever seen. That last photo, from the side, those bars look kinda... bloated... for being hollow steel. Turns out, it might not be a hollow-steel FM4000 after all... Lucroy was equipped with the ultra-brand-new Magnesium FM4000MAG: http://www.baseballmonkey.com/all-star-fm4000mag-magnesium-catchers-mask.html All-Star hasn't even listed it on their site yet; but then again, they didn't publish the 2015 FM25Ti either, leaving it to forum and discussion sites to show details about it.
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I recently replied to a message from a fellow umpire here on U-E regarding chest protector opinions. As I re-read it, what a I divulge is applicable to a great number of chest protector questions we the membership here get. His question was in regard to a Douglas, specifically, but I can express technical opinions about any of the CP's on the market. So, let me share this here with you... I present to you this rhetorical question: why are we as an umpire community clinging to antiquated technology and practices when modern, cutting-edge opportunities are not even being fully considered or realized yet? Or, better yet, why are we accepting this sloth and sluggishness from the gear producers themselves??! I hold Team Wendy in lofty regard because they actually established and progressed their own technology – Zorbium – for one ambitious goal: to mitigate, reduce and hopefully eliminate TBI's. The reason they pulled the plug on CP retrofits wasn't because TW is a money-grubbing company that saw no profit in it, or that Zorbium itself is a poor product. It simply is, that when the US military drops a massive product request on you, with an ironclad contract, you put everything else aside and go all-hands-on-deck. We really need to start examining the direction that our protection needs and solutions will go instead of settling for the "traditional" and "status quo".
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Hi all ... Looking for an All-Star harness.... either new, or slightly used .......thanks .......
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Time marches on, and we've got some new offerings in masks for the upcoming season... Hockey -Style Masks (HSM) All-Star is still the iconic HSM producer, but several rivals have made significant improvements to their product lineups. All-Star: Showing focused refinement, the MVP4000-UMP and MVP2500-UMP models get updated padding and (supposedly) better paint jobs. In fact, the MVP2500 "Molded" is now black through-and-through, meaning that a ding or knick isn't going to discolor the shell. The MVP4000 is now offering a titanium cage, to keep pace with Wilson (see below). The System 7's, showcasing their I-Bar Vision construction, really allow the best sightlines of the HSMs on the market. Diamond: The brand-new iX5 system is now on the scene, featuring a much more sculpted shell and 3D-formed cage. Unique to Diamond, the iX5 is the only HSM with a "shovel-front chin" on the cage. Looking like a throat-guard on a TM, this adds another deflective geometry to the mask, especially for those that drop the chin. The iX3 name has been dropped, and the previous model (the iX3) received some tweaking and has been released as a value-price-point named the EDGE Core. Of course, because umpires get much less "love" from the manufacturers, the "for-umpires" HSM is an EDGE Core labeled as DCH-EDGE-UMP. While it doesn't have the curves of the iX5, it still has the pronounced chin cage guard. Easton: Made some needed improvements to the Mako, and are heavily marketing it as their flagship unit. For 2015, they've introduced the M7 (in two finishes "grip" (matte) and "gloss"), which is a less-technical, slightly-lighter-weight unit that is posed to be their workhorse. It has a 3D-formed cage and a sculpted shell, indicating that is concentrating on deflective properties instead of mass and bulk, and appears to be so much more comfortable than the elder Rival. With the M7 now on the scene, Easton looks to be consolidating the Rival and the Stealth into a mask named Black Magic, and is aiming that more on youth (ie. 12U) baseball, and the budget price points. Mizuno: Nothing new to report in their Samurai G4 line. It has the largest standoff and padding concentration in the crown of an HSM. Nike: ... (sigh)... uh... Yes, Nike makes a HSM. It's called the De3539, and is made more as a branding piece (see? We're in baseball!) than as an advanced piece of protective gear. Unlike rival UnderArmour, who re-branded All-Star units, Nike... you can't tell who produces the Nike unit. Rawlings: The Slowest-to-Update-Baseball-Company-In-the-World finally, finally introduced a new HSM after All-Star kicked their keester all down the 1BL. The CH1 (which, undoubtedly, stood for "Catching Helmet One") saw its shell redesigned, outfitted with new CoolFlo pads, and stuck with a curvy, sleek new cage that, strangely, looks like the negative (opposite) of All-Star's System 7 geometry. Hmmm. But it does look impressive! Debuting as the CH950 (so what happened to the 948 other versions?), look for this to be on a Molina near you soon. The entire lineup received CoolFlo pads. Schutt: As one of the premier football helmet manufacturers, Schutt took their AiR technology and (finally!) applied it to their baseball HSMs. The catcher's HSM gets the AiR treatment first, labeled the AiR Maxx 2966. Unique and intriguing, Schutt extended the cage back along the temples, covering the ears and flanks of the shell. That means that's even more protection on the sides, and the cage carries and dissipates more energy before it reaches the shell. No one else is doing that! If you don't need the customizable comfort-fit of the AiR system, the 2966 is offered as an "umpire" version, but it (appears) to not get quite the cage treatment, still using the fall-2014 cage. UnderArmour: UA is really trying to make headway in baseball, and they partnered up with one of the best in the business to do so in All-Star. UA's "Pro", though, is a re-branded All-Star MVP2300, which has the same shell, but doesn't have the iconic System 7 cage. Wilson: Having already seen a significant improvement mid-season in 2014, the Shock FX 2.0 returns to the field, this time showcasing a titanium cage. The most technologically-advanced HSM of the bunch (for now, unless and until Force3 debuts a HSM entry), the SFX 2.0 is the apex protector for umpires; it just gets kinda haughty about it with the ... ahem... particular paint-job Wilson loves to show off. If you can't afford a Shock FX, but still want an HSM with the... Wilson paint job... look for the Prestige. Traditional Masks All-Star: With a trimmer, more defined lineup, All-Star presses forward with the FM25Ti, FM25, FM4000 and FM2000. All four are offered as "umpire versions" with a hat-harness (instead of the Delta-Flex helmet harness), and give All-Star some distinction between itself and Wilson. This is noteworthy with the FM25Ti, which may be physically (titanium alloy and double-wire, more difficult to deform) and financially (titanium alloy, less costly) more appealing to a mid-level umpire than the pure-titanium show ponies Wilson and Nike trot out. Besides that, the FM4000 and FM2000 are instantly recognizable because of their bar layouts. Diamond: How can you mess with one of the best-selling TMs in the industry, but still make it more appealing? Fix the pads! The iX3's geometry didn't change, but Diamond now offers new, improved pads on a re-labeled mask called DFM-UMP-BL (for "Big League", woo woo). This, and the venerable iX3, are one-in-the-same mask... one's named Ed, the other Fred. Oh, and you can get pads that have no logos on them. For those who really cling to tradition we're talking Charleton Heston's grip the DRM-PRO (used to be iX3) and DFM-43 double-bar masks are still available. Easton: The Speed Elite returns, still with exceptionally lightweight construction in a robust geometry. It has some of the largest ear-guards in the business, and very reliable pads (think the complete opposite of the miserable pads on the Diamond iX3). It also has one of the smallest chin-throat guards, such that it encourages and makes easy the mounting of a hanging supplemental throat guard. Force3: The mask everyone is rooting for. Now available in colors (and tan pads!! Sexxxxyyyyy), the Defender is a tangible promise that someone, somewhere is looking out for us who stand behind the plate. While it still is noticeably heavy, that weight has been steadily declining as Force3 continues to pare down the geometry and improve the hardware. The standoff distance is still something to be negotiated, as it feels like you're in cage, but this is the mask that should be your chief candidate if frontal, concussion-inducing impacts are your main concern. Mizuno: Nothing new to report on out of Japan. Nike: Unknown if Nike is even going to offer a mask for retail sale this year. Schutt: Teamed up with Diamond, and offers the DFM-UMP labeled as the Comfort-Lite Mask. (If anyone from Schutt ever reads these forums, please contact me – I've got an intriguing mask design for you.) UnderArmour: Continuing the relationship with All-Star, UA's UAFM Pro is a rebranded FM25, complete with I-Bar advertising tab on the chin. Wilson: The big news came during the 2014 season, with the debut of new Memory Foam pads! They are meeting with rave feedback, and are probably the best rival to Team Wendys. Additionally, while the pads were developed independently, they debuted with the new Dynalite Aluminum mask, taking the spot as Wilson's lightest traditional mask in their lineup. This mask may be a Titanium-slayer, because with the lighter weight (marginal, but still), better pads, and lower cost, it addresses the three main issues umpires face (bad pun!) when selecting a mask. Disclaimer: I did not list Champro nor +POS because Champro's HSMs are rebrandings, and they have nothing new in TMs, while +POS designs some really innovative TMs, but has nothing obviously new for 2015 announced yet. Bonus Note: For those needing to protect a banged-up forearm, these might do the trick: https://www.underarmour.com/en-us/ua-forearm-pad/pid1220728-001
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ump-attire is out of stock, called all-star they are out of stock and not expecting any until end of november. I have one on my gold but thinking about getting an unequal also and would like a delta flex harness on every chest protector I use. How can they be on backorder that long
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The System Seven™ MVP4000 is designed for professional and college level play. Specifically designed and tested for ball speeds exceeding 100 MPH, the System Seven™ MVP4000UMP is the most advanced mask available. The moisture wicking Armor Clad™ mesh liner system is removable and machine washable. Replacement padding can be purchased separately. Having a second liner system can be useful for those hot summer days with double header games. Both models feature Extremely durable polycarbonate shellBreathable 3D mesh padding linerBackplate designed to keep the snaps onExtra band of shock absorbing vinyl nitrile in the forehead.The MVP4000SL features Hollow steel cageWEIGHT: 41.9ozThe MVP4000UMP:TI features Titanium cageWEIGHT: 41.9oz This product is available at Ump-Attire.com.
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With its umpire-specific DeltaFlex four-point adjustable harness for use with All Star System Seven (CPU4000) umpire chest protectors, this replacement harness also fits the Wilson Gold and Platinum chest protectors by taking off All-Star clips from harness and threading straps into the Wilson clips. Evenly distributes pressure to keep the protector snug This product is available from Ump-Attire.com.
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The heavily requested heavy duty metal umpire indicator with no-look notches. Counts to 3 balls, 2 strikes, 2 outs and 9 inningsWith varied notches along each dial for balls, strikes and outs, one, with some practice, can "read" or reset the numbers to 0 on each without looking.Die cast metal will make for a durable indicator to keep in your bag for a long time.Fits easily into all ball bagsEasy-to -read, large numbersWeighs 4.4 oz.This product is available at Ump-Attire.com.
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Built like a roll cage, the FM2000UMP is a durable mask with great protection. The curved forehead, just like the FM4000, allows for more padding to come in contact with the umpire's head to help disperse impacts. The steel wire used to make this mask is hollow. Not only does it reduce the weight but at the same time increases the cage's strength. This cage also features our I-BAR VISION™ construction, where the horizontal bars around the eyes are flat for increased vision. LUC pads are lightweight and wrapped in moisture wicking material that doesn't pull or snag facial hair scruff. These pads are also machine washable, just let them air dry. Traditional Harness Included. WEIGHT: 18.5oz
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Forged with a super strong and durable titanium alloy, the FM25TI cage is very durable and strong. The LMX pads are built with a colored vinyl exterior with leather interior. The LUC pads feature a lightweight and breathable exterior. Unlike with other brands, this fabric does not pull on facial hair. These pads are also machine washable. Traditional harness included. WEIGHT: 19oz
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Designed with a lightweight and sturdy hollow steel cage, this mask provides great vision and coverage. The steel wire used to make this mask is hollow. Not only does it reduce the weight but at the same time increases the cage's strength. This cage also features our I-BAR VISION™ construction, where the horizontal bars around the eyes are flat for increased vision. The LMX pads are built with a colored vinyl exterior with leather interior. The LUC pads feature a lightweight and breathable exterior. Unlike with other brands, this fabric does not pull on facial hair. These pads are also machine washable. Traditional harness included. WEIGHT: 21oz
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LP-11 Double knee model LP-1 single knee model Double/Single knee umpire's leg guard. Wrap around shins protect legs from stray balls and secure leg guard to its proper position.
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LGU 2000 - Double Knee LGU 1000 - Single Knee The System Seven™ umpire specific leg guards are designed for maximum protection, ventilation, and comfort. Wraparound style plates and padding completely protect the front and sides of legs. Toe cap is removable for the umpires who have plated base shoes. Adjustable and repositionable Patella Plus™ knee pad absorbs impact and holds knee in place. Removable and machine washable 3D mesh shin pad provides a snug fit and helps air circulation. DeltaFlex™ harness features pre-crossed straps to keep the back of the knee free with no pressure points. Harness is by far the most comfortable leg guard harness system around. This product is available from Ump-Attire.com.
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The CPU30 protects with a combo of low rebound foam & lightweight dense foam combined with internal rigid plastic in the sternum, throat, and collar bone areas. This CP conforms extremely well to the body and has adjustable arm lengths.
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Features: The new MVP2500 takes advantage of the new System Seven ™ design. This mask features a redesigned shell, cage, and padding system.Designed for catchers who demand the best in protection and comfort.Shell molded out of an impact resistant ABS resin.Removable and machine washable UltraCool™ mesh liner.Solid Black Available with I-Bar Steel cage only
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