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[coachd]

Okla 15/16U tournament.....primary coach ejected, no other coach or parent in the dugout or base boxes....Parent comes out of the stands and was told he is confined to the dugout and players were not allowed to be base coaches even with helmets on....in other words, offense was confined to no base coaches.....I believe the umpire that was in charge and made the ejection incorrect in confining the "dad" to the dugout and not allowing players to coach bases....what say you

[grayhawk]

Regarding the dad coming to the dugout to "coach,", it depends on the rules for the tournament. But I'd err on the side of allowing the kids to play. That should be a TD decision, not an umpire decision.

Unless there is an explicit rule preventing players to be base coaches, I am definitely allowing them to be base coaches with helmets on. If only 1 coach was ejected and no other coaches were there, who was coaching on the other base before the ejection?

[maven]

58 minutes ago, coachd said:

Okla 15/16U tournament.....primary coach ejected, no other coach or parent in the dugout or base boxes

This part creates a significant liability issue that should not have been allowed. In the context of a tournament, suspend the game, get the TD to the field, explain the situation, and go with the ruling. If the ruling is to allow a parent to coach, then we resume play with the parent now as coach. Otherwise, it should be a forfeit. 

I personally would not officiate a contest without an adult responsible for the players. Doing so could lead to a variety of jackpots.

The new "coach" has the same privileges initially as the previous coach, with the same penalties attached to infractions. The former coach's penalties don't "carry over" to the new coach, no matter how frustrated the umpire might be.

[noumpere]

What happens in FED if the head coach is restricted and then ejected?  Is the assistant coach (new acting head coach) also now restricted?

[The Man in Blue]

On 10/21/2024 at 10:18 AM, grayhawk said:

Regarding the dad coming to the dugout to "coach,", it depends on the rules for the tournament. But I'd err on the side of allowing the kids to play. That should be a TD decision, not an umpire decision.

Exactly this.  Had a tournament game last year where we ejected all three of the team's coaches.  The TD finally got them escorted out, and we realized they had no adult coaches.  Parents were ready to step in, but we told them we needed clarification from the tournament folks as to whether we could do that or not.  (We preferred to do it so the kids could play.)  We sent a "clubby" for the field to bring the TD back.  We do not know what rostering or insurance requirements the tournament or organization has.

[SeeingEyeDog]

I have always liked the LL rule that requires at least one adult to be in the dugout at all times. That person can or can not have coaching responsibilities but, just by virtue of their presence (presuming they are in fact responsible...) goes a long way towards reducing player shenanigans in the dugout because the coach is on the field, coaching on the bases, etc...When I coached LL, the culture of our league was to enforce this rule strongly and it made for good vibes in the dugouts.

I don't see this as an issue for HS baseball because everyone turns out for those games. If anything there are too many coaches/adults in HS dugouts...

But anything 17U and down should require at least one adult in the dugout at all times...IMHO.

~Dawg

[beerguy55]

At what point/levels are the coaches required to be certified to be on the bench?  OK, I can get some rec level tourney.   But would random parent be able to come coach for a high school team?  State gold medal game?  LL World Series?  Hell, I've been in rec leagues where the daddy coaches had to have attended the league coach meeting, and get a background check, before being allowed to coach.  At least one of those coaches had to be present for any game.

I'm thinking there are some liability issues, if nothing else - as said above, that's got to be a TD decision.

Having said that, when coaching club ball we had about six of our players (15/16/17 years old) certified to coach their level.

[JonnyCat]

1 hour ago, beerguy55 said:

At what point/levels are the coaches required to be certified to be on the bench? 

For LL, during the regular season, you could have a parent come out of the stands or a league administrator to finish the game. LL requires all volunteers with repeated contact to pass a background check. It's basically up to the individual leagues to determine what "repeated contact" is. For a regular season game, most leagues would let a parent, even without a BG check, step in. Some leagues may not. YMMV.

For LL tournament, absolutely not. All managers and coaches have to be listed on the affidavit. Only LL International could approve of a replacement coach.

I can't speak for other States, but here in Kommiefornia for HS, you could not have a parent come out of the stands. All HS coaches have to be approved and certified. You could have a site administrator, or a school employee step in to coach a game. They are authorized to be with the students.

[BigBlue4u]

6 hours ago, JonnyCat said:

For LL, during the regular season, you could have a parent come out of the stands or a league administrator to finish the game. LL requires all volunteers with repeated contact to pass a background check. It's basically up to the individual leagues to determine what "repeated contact" is. For a regular season game, most leagues would let a parent, even without a BG check, step in. Some leagues may not. YMMV.

For LL tournament, absolutely not. All managers and coaches have to be listed on the affidavit. Only LL International could approve of a replacement coach.

I can't speak for other States, but here in Kommiefornia for HS, you could not have a parent come out of the stands. All HS coaches have to be approved and certified. You could have a site administrator, or a school employee step in to coach a game. They are authorized to be with the students.

JonnyCat has it right about coaches having to be approved and certified. This is from the California Interscholastic Federation Consitituion:  

The primary requirements for coaching high school sports in California are:

1. A General Coaching Education Course  The most commonly utilized courses are:

• The Fundamentals of Coaching course through the NFHS https://nfhslearn.com/courses/fundamentals-of-coaching

OR

• CIF Coaching Principles course offered through  HKCE 

  https://coacheducation.humankinetics.com/collections/28/products/cif-coaching-principles-5th-edition-online-course-with-print-book  (with paperback)

  https://coacheducation.humankinetics.com/collections/28/products/cif-coaching-principles-5th-edition-online-course-with-ebook (with e-book)

OR

• CIF Coaching Orientation course offered in a classroom setting (contact your school AD) or online through HKCE

          https://coacheducation.humankinetics.com/collections/28/products/cif-coaching-orientation-2nd-edition-online-course

2. A Concussion Course 

• Concussion in Sports offered through NFHS: https://nfhslearn.com/courses/concussion-in-sports-2

3. Sudden Cardiac Arrest (SCA) Training

• NFHS offers a free course at https://nfhslearn.com/courses/sudden-cardiac-arrest

4. Heat Acclimatization Course (Jan. 1, 2019 State law went into effect)

• NFHS: https://nfhslearn.com/courses/heat-illness-prevention-2

5. First Aid and CPR Certification  Please consult your school district for this requirement.

[MadMax]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:36 AM, JonnyCat said:

All HS coaches have to be approved and certified. You could have a site administrator, or a school employee step in to coach a game. They are authorized to be with the students.

True. We didn’t have an ejection, but the Head (and only) Coach had to tap out to respond to an urgent family emergency (elderly parent incident, if I recall?), and the AD took over. He had very little baseball knowledge, and just hovered around the dugout, while a few upperclassman “ran things”. 

[HumblePie]

On 10/21/2024 at 9:47 AM, noumpere said:

What happens in FED if the head coach is restricted and then ejected?  Is the assistant coach (new acting head coach) also now restricted?

NO.

[maven]

On 11/17/2024 at 5:22 AM, HumblePie said:

NO.

You don't need to yell when answering a rhetorical question, you know. Just sayin'.