FPSR in LSU/North Carolina Regional

[johnnyg08]

[Tborze]

The announcers were right again!  

[Velho]

At this point I don't know what else to think other than announcers don't want to know the rules in detail. Good on them for reading it and not extemporaneously stating the rule. He even said "slide in direct line between the bases" but glossed over it. This is ESPN, they can get any umpire official on the phone they want.

[Jimurray]

29 minutes ago, Velho said:

At this point I don't know what else to think other than announcers don't want to know the rules in detail. Good on them for reading it and not extemporaneously stating the rule. He even said "slide in direct line between the bases" but glossed over it. This is ESPN, they can get any umpire official on the phone they want.

NCAA needs to put a clause in their contract with ESPN. Any falsehood propagated by announcers must be corrected by some means. 

[grayhawk]

I love the, "This should be a quick overturn," comment by these clueless announcers.

[maven]

1 hour ago, grayhawk said:

I love the, "This should be a quick overturn," comment by these clueless announcers.

You'd think that at least one of them might think, "Oh, how embarrassing that I said that on the broadcast. Maybe I should learn the rule?"

[johnnyg08]

6 hours ago, grayhawk said:

I love the, "This should be a quick overturn," comment by these clueless announcers.

That was my favorite part of the entire thing and why I keep the comments in the videos...it's excellent comedy

[blue23ll]

So, a slide straight into the base is ok, as long as the runner doesn't make contact?

Contact does not have to be made for interference to be called? 

Runner can slide to the side of the base, as long as the fielder is on the opposite side?

[grayhawk]

1 hour ago, blue23ll said:

So, a slide straight into the base is ok, as long as the runner doesn't make contact?

Contact does not have to be made for interference to be called? 

Runner can slide to the side of the base, as long as the fielder is on the opposite side?

In NCAA, if he slides directly into the base, he can make contact as long as his foot isn't above the knee, and it's not otherwise malicious. 

Your last two statements are correct.

 

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, blue23ll said:

So, a slide straight into the base is ok, as long as the runner doesn't make contact?

Contact does not have to be made for interference to be called? 

Runner can slide to the side of the base, as long as the fielder is on the opposite side?

Last two, that would be the case in high school, which you call, would you agree? Are you calling, the first one, contact in high school a FPSR violation for a legal slide?

 

[johnnyg08]

39 minutes ago, Jimurray said:

Last two, that would be the case in high school, which you call, would you agree? Are you calling, the first one, contact in high school a FPSR violation for a legal slide?

 

I'll start a thread there too. Good idea. 

[The Man in Blue]

12 hours ago, Velho said:

At this point I don't know what else to think other than announcers don't want to know the rules in detail. Good on them for reading it and not extemporaneously stating the rule. He even said "slide in direct line between the bases" but glossed over it. This is ESPN, they can get any umpire official on the phone they want.

 

I made this comment in the other thread, but for those who don't venture there . . . 

I had an epiphany on the field this weekend, and this drives it home.  You ever notice that you will hear of former players becoming coaches and broadcasters, and former coaches becoming broadcasters, and maybe even a broadcaster becoming a coach . . . but you never hear about former players, coaches or broadcasters becoming umpires?

[grayhawk]

10 hours ago, The Man in Blue said:

 

I made this comment in the other thread, but for those who don't venture there . . . 

I had an epiphany on the field this weekend, and this drives it home.  You ever notice that you will hear of former players becoming coaches and broadcasters, and former coaches becoming broadcasters, and maybe even a broadcaster becoming a coach . . . but you never hear about former players, coaches or broadcasters becoming umpires?

[MadMax]

17 hours ago, blue23ll said:

Runner can slide to the side of the base, as long as the fielder is on the opposite side?

No. They can slide to and through (thru) the base. That’s how the rule reads as written. 

The rule is written as an If-Then logic statement. If the Runner chooses to veer, then he must veer away, or, If he chooses to slide, then he must execute a legal slide, to and/or thru the base. 

In the above 👆🏼 video, the Runner does not slide to the base, instead he “sideswipes” it, with his lead foot and leg passing by the base, on the outfield side, and then his bent knee and hips arriving to the base. Contact or not, by the “letter of the rule”, that’s an illegal slide. Thus, it’s a violation, not interference. 
In a 2-man umpire crew, that likely doesn’t get called, or even noticed. Despite the CCA directive of the PU (in 2-man) aiding the BU by arcing into Fair territory so as to observe 2B while BU has to turn focus to the play at 1B, there’s no way a PU sees this. No, this is only seen by a U3/U2 who is able to focus wholly and fully upon the play – in its entirety – at 2B. Notice, too, that the U2, from a kneeling position, adjusts in a “read step/lean” so as to see the outfield side of the base, and the violating slide. 

[BigBlue4u]

As I posted on another thread, the most important five words are not in the rule:

"And interferes with the fielder."

[noumpere]

3 hours ago, BigBlue4u said:

As I posted on another thread, the most important five words are not in the rule:

"And interferes with the fielder."

Because that consideration is not part of the rule.

[Tborze]

@johnnyg08 Illinois v Iowa!  Good job NCAA!!  
 

102 ways to ruin a baseball game!  

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, noumpere said:

Because that consideration is not part of the rule.

Do not expect a retort. When he kicks something here he just fades away.

[JSam21]

13 hours ago, BigBlue4u said:

As I posted on another thread, the most important five words are not in the rule:

"And interferes with the fielder."

Care to share that wording from the rule?

[Tborze]

 

[BigBlue4u]

6 hours ago, JSam21 said:

Care to share that wording from the rule?

The rule is a number of paragraphs.  However, this is the rule cite:  6.01 (j)

[JSam21]

17 hours ago, BigBlue4u said:

The rule is a number of paragraphs.  However, this is the rule cite:  6.01 (j)

OBR citation for an NCAA game?

The OBR Bona Fide Slide rule is not even remotely the same as the NCAA's Force Play Slide Rule.

Also, OBR's Bona Fide Slide rule doesn't contain the phrase that you are insisting is in the rule.

I'll make it easy for you and give you the whole rule:

 

Force-Play-Slide Rule SECTION 4. The intent of the force-play-slide rule is to ensure the safety of all players. This is a safety and an interference rule. Whether the defense could have completed the double play has no bearing on the applicability of this rule. This rule pertains to a force-play situation at any base, regardless of the number of outs, except it does not apply to the batter-runner at first base.

a. On any force play, the runner, in the vicinity of the base, must slide on the ground before the base and in a direct line between the two bases. It is permissible for the slider’s momentum to carry them through the base in the baseline extended (see diagram).

Exception—A runner need not slide directly into a base as long as the runner slides or runs in a direction away from the fielder to avoid making contact or altering the play of the fielder. The umpire may use judgement due to the unusual nature of a play such as when a runner does not slide and is safe at the base before the throw arrives or slides directly to a base from a position not in a direct line between bases, as long as there is no issue with safety or interference. Interference shall not be called.

1) “On the ground” means either a headfirst slide or a slide with one leg and buttock on the ground before the base.

2) “Directly into a base” means the runner’s entire body (feet, legs, trunk and arms) must stay in a straight line between the bases.

b. Contact with a fielder is legal and interference shall not be called if the runner makes a legal slide directly to the base and in the baseline extended (see diagram). If contact occurs on top of the base as a result of a “pop-up” slide, this contact is legal.

c. Actions by a runner are illegal and interference shall be called if: 1) The runner slides or runs out of the base line in the direction of the fielder; 2) The runner uses a rolling or cross-body slide and either makes contact with or alters the play of a fielder; 3) The runner’s raised leg makes contact higher than the fielder’s knee when in a standing position; 4) The runner slashes or kicks the fielder with either leg; or 5) The runner illegally slides toward or contacts the fielder even if the fielder makes no attempt to throw to complete a play.

PENALTY for 1-4—1) With less than two outs, the batter-runner, as well as the interfering runner, shall be declared out and no other runner(s) shall advance. 2) With two outs, the interfering runner shall be declared out and no other runner(s) shall advance. 3) If the runner’s slide or collision is flagrant, the runner shall be ejected from the contest.

Note 1: If the bases are loaded with no outs, a double-play attempt is made, and interference is called, all other runners must return to their original bases.

Note 2: On a force play, with a two-man umpiring system, if the plate umpire does not have a potential play at the plate, they should move toward the base to observe the runner going into second or third base. In this situation, the base umpire must follow the throw and may not see the true effect of the lead runner’s action.

[The Man in Blue]

23 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Do not expect a retort. When he kicks something here he just fades away.

That's harsh.  Sometimes a person has said all they need to say.

I won't speak for @BigBlue4u but I did provide retort to this in the other thread.  Not disagreeing, but explaining why NFHS is screwing the pooch as this mindset has changed.

[The Man in Blue]

14 hours ago, Tborze said:

 

 

I'm not a big JonBoy fan, but I do enjoy some of his videos.  That was not one of them.  I realize some videos are just entertainment (Laz Diaz making fun of Lars Nootbaar was funny), but some call for educating the viewer.  This one called for educating the viewer, not just an excuse to play funny clips and say the f-word a lot.

[Jimurray]

1 hour ago, The Man in Blue said:

That's harsh.  Sometimes a person has said all they need to say.

I won't speak for @BigBlue4u but I did provide retort to this in the other thread.  Not disagreeing, but explaining why NFHS is screwing the pooch as this mindset has changed.

Well I was in error. He did respond with an OBR cite, which did not have the words in his post, to an NCAA rule issue.