Beacher80 Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 Is there a resource anyone knows of showing the rules differences between federation and NCAA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 noumpere Posted November 6, 2020 Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 If you are looking for a reference: then Childress' Baseball Rules Differences might work -- I'm not sure if it's been updated in a few years though. If you are looking to learn the rules, BRD won't work for you (or, to be clear, it didn't work for me). Instead, my advice is to read the rule book as if it were the first time you were learning to umpire. Make a note (or highlight) anything that "surprises" you. Then, put back on your "experienced umpire hat" and go back through the book and see if the surprise is a difference from FED. Make your own chart of the differences. Here is the chart I prepared based on that many years ago (so some of the statements in here are wrong because the rules have changed) -- it was based on trying to get it all on one page, and combining the importance, frequency, and how likely I was to forget the difference. https://fvbumpire.com/page.php?id=28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Beacher80 Posted November 6, 2020 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2020 4 hours ago, noumpere said: If you are looking for a reference: then Childress' Baseball Rules Differences might work -- I'm not sure if it's been updated in a few years though. If you are looking to learn the rules, BRD won't work for you (or, to be clear, it didn't work for me). Instead, my advice is to read the rule book as if it were the first time you were learning to umpire. Make a note (or highlight) anything that "surprises" you. Then, put back on your "experienced umpire hat" and go back through the book and see if the surprise is a difference from FED. Make your own chart of the differences. Here is the chart I prepared based on that many years ago (so some of the statements in here are wrong because the rules have changed) -- it was based on trying to get it all on one page, and combining the importance, frequency, and how likely I was to forget the difference. https://fvbumpire.com/page.php?id=28 Thanks Noumpere. I'll make a similar chart myself, probably the best way to learn it anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BigVic69 Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 There is an app for that (sort of) and it will give an overview. It is the app in the upper left corner. Happy hunting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 lawump Posted November 7, 2020 Report Share Posted November 7, 2020 With the numerous rule changes over the last several rules cycles, I would say the differences are becoming greater as NCAA has been trending towards being more in line with OBR interpretations and away from FED over that time. All of that to say: that even though it is not that long ago a 2016 edition of the BRD is probably too out-of-date when dealing with the NCAA as it has had a lot of significant changes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BT_Blue Posted November 15, 2020 Report Share Posted November 15, 2020 @BigVic69beat me to it. Baseball Rules In Black And White can be found on both Android and Apple as well as going through their website. @lawumpits funny... there was a while there where NCAA moved more in line with NFHS (best example is the FPSR and their paranoia of the Hybrid pitching stance). But now it has shifted and started moving closer to OBR again (which to me makes more sense). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 mac266 Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 On 11/15/2020 at 1:14 AM, BT_Blue said: @lawumpits funny... there was a while there where NCAA moved more in line with NFHS (best example is the FPSR and their paranoia of the Hybrid pitching stance). But now it has shifted and started moving closer to OBR again (which to me makes more sense). The big thing for me about the FED rules is the balk. It's an immediate dead ball, award the bases. Easy to adjudicate. In OBR, there are a *TON* of variables because it's a delayed dead ball. I have a hard time keeping them straight -- balk when the pitch was ball 4 and a runner on 1st (does the lead runner go to 3rd because they got 2nd on the walk and 3rd on the balk?), balk when the pitch was wild, balk when the pitch was strike 3, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BT_Blue Posted January 5, 2021 Report Share Posted January 5, 2021 1 hour ago, mac266 said: The big thing for me about the FED rules is the balk. It's an immediate dead ball, award the bases. Easy to adjudicate. In OBR, there are a *TON* of variables because it's a delayed dead ball. I have a hard time keeping them straight -- balk when the pitch was ball 4 and a runner on 1st (does the lead runner go to 3rd because they got 2nd on the walk and 3rd on the balk?), balk when the pitch was wild, balk when the pitch was strike 3, etc. Firstly, no they only get second with R1, ball 4, and a balk. Secondly, it is known i fit firmly into the group that is not a fan of "lowest common denominator" rules that NFHS has had in the past. But I actually have grown to like the FED balk rule. Yes, it would suck to call back a home run. But how often does that ever happen? Once every 40 blue moons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 TheRockawayKid Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 (edited) On 1/5/2021 at 1:42 PM, BT_Blue said: Firstly, no they only get second with R1, ball 4, and a balk. Secondly, it is known i fit firmly into the group that is not a fan of "lowest common denominator" rules that NFHS has had in the past. But I actually have grown to like the FED balk rule. Yes, it would suck to call back a home run. But how often does that ever happen? Once every 40 blue moons? I had the plate. Top 7, visitors down by 2. R1 R2. Partner in the field called a balk right before the kid hit a home run. Coach was not happy, though I said that there was nothing I can do about it. EDITED HERE BECAUSE MY MEMORY WAS WRONG: I believe he grounded out and the coach was not happy about it. Edited January 13, 2021 by TheRockawayKid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Jimurray Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 1 hour ago, TheRockawayKid said: I had the plate. Top 7, visitors down by 2. R1 R2. Partner in the field called a balk right before the kid hit a home run. Coach was not happy, though I said that there was nothing I can do about it. Coach was less happy at us when he hit into a 4-6-3 two pitches later. A survey sent out by NFHS this last year asked if you (I don't remember who the survey was directed at as far as "you') would like to see the balk rule changed to "coach choice". It's not perfect and I would prefer using the NCAA/OBR rule with training for those who lack comprehension but it would be better than a the dead ball rule. Interestingly, I just was on a UTD facebook page where a supposed NCAA, Northwoods League, umpire would have kicked the NCAA/OBR rule. He deleted his post after being corrected. But, aside from that treatice, what balk did your partner see that you didn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kevin_K Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 21 hours ago, TheRockawayKid said: I had the plate. Top 7, visitors down by 2. R1 R2. Partner in the field called a balk right before the kid hit a home run. Coach was not happy, though I said that there was nothing I can do about it. Coach was less happy at us when he hit into a 4-6-3 two pitches later. If a balk was called with R1 and R2, how did the BR hit into a 4-6-3? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 noumpere Posted January 6, 2021 Report Share Posted January 6, 2021 39 minutes ago, Kevin_K said: If a balk was called with R1 and R2, how did the BR hit into a 4-6-3? F4 throws to F6 who tags (new) R2. F6 then throws to F3 to force (yeah, I know) out the coach (see below) 22 hours ago, TheRockawayKid said: Coach was less happy at us when he hit into a 4-6-3 two pitches later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rich Ives Posted January 7, 2021 Report Share Posted January 7, 2021 16 hours ago, Kevin_K said: If a balk was called with R1 and R2, how did the BR hit into a 4-6-3? Balk nullified the HR. Batter back to the plate. Hit into the DP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kevin_K Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 11 hours ago, Rich Ives said: Balk nullified the HR. Batter back to the plate. Hit into the DP. Right. HR nullified. R1 and R2 move up, Now R2 and R3. Your move @Rich Ives Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Rich Ives Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Kevin_K said: Right. HR nullified. R1 and R2 move up, Now R2 and R3. Your move @Rich Ives Rockaway umps messed up the runner placement after the bruhaha over negating the HR. Bet they called it a do-over. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 Kevin_K Posted January 8, 2021 Report Share Posted January 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Rich Ives said: Rockaway umps messed up the runner placement after the bruhaha over negating the HR. Bet they called it a do-over. I can accept that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 TheRockawayKid Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/6/2021 at 6:08 PM, Kevin_K said: If a balk was called with R1 and R2, how did the BR hit into a 4-6-3? You're obviously right on this, and I obviously misremembered it. I know he grounded out... maybe it was a fielder's choice instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 TheRockawayKid Posted January 9, 2021 Report Share Posted January 9, 2021 On 1/7/2021 at 10:37 AM, Rich Ives said: Balk nullified the HR. Batter back to the plate. Hit into the DP. No he grounded out. That's certain. Probably was a fielder's choice instead? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 BT_Blue Posted January 11, 2021 Report Share Posted January 11, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 7:17 PM, Jimurray said: A survey sent out by NFHS this last year asked if you (I don't remember who the survey was directed at as far as "you') would like to see the balk rule changed to "coach choice". It's not perfect and I would prefer using the NCAA/OBR rule with training for those who lack comprehension but it would be better than a the dead ball rule. Interestingly, I just was on a UTD facebook page where a supposed NCAA, Northwoods League, umpire would have kicked the NCAA/OBR rule. He deleted his post after being corrected. But, aside from that treatice, what balk did your partner see that you didn't? It was Trevor, wasn't it? Lol I kid of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0 beerguy55 Posted January 12, 2021 Report Share Posted January 12, 2021 On 1/5/2021 at 6:11 PM, TheRockawayKid said: I had the plate. Top 7, visitors down by 2. R1 R2. Partner in the field called a balk right before the kid hit a home run. Coach was not happy, though I said that there was nothing I can do about it. Coach was less happy at us when he hit into a 4-6-3 two pitches later. And then you woke up from the weird dream??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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