Arkansas Vandy Crazy play at the plate

[Majordave]

I have it on proper authority, from an "unnamed source" (Not the D2 National Coordinator at this point in time-have not heard back from Dan yet) close to the top that NCAA will take this video and issue for a rules/mechanics interpretation for us soon.

[zm1283]

I think the term "Sometimes you just have to umpire" comes into play on plays like this. I think the umpire in the video did just that and got it right. Doesn't seem there is a lot to interpret here. 

[grayhawk]

Sure would love to get @MidAmUmp 's take on this one.

[MidAmUmp]

 

Screen shots are getting posted and you guys are dissecting it. I'm out.

 

If the NCAA feels it's necessary, they will address it.

[grayhawk]

I understand that you have to be careful posting online about NCAA plays. Wasn't looking for a critique of the umpire, but rather your thoughts on "out of his baseline" as it relates to plays around home plate.

[Richvee]

I asked a well respected CWS vet about this play. He said he's got "out of his basepath" here. 

[johnnyg08]

Is a better phrase for what you guys are discussing "illegally altering his base path"?  

 

The old "out of the baseline" verbiage is just wrong in so many ways.  

[Richvee]

Is a better phrase for what you guys are discussing "illegally altering his base path"?  

 

The old "out of the baseline" verbiage is just wrong in so many ways.  

"basepath" seems a little more right than "baseline".  I do like "Illegally alter his basepath"   

[labguy1971]

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PU may have been in the best position to see daylight between runner and mitt. But if he was, I think he was lucky. I think 3BLX and then follow F2 forward near/into fair territory should have been the place to be.

 

I'm interested to hear if anyone has anything on R3 leaving the dirt circle to avoid a tag.  ?   Once R3 stands up after his initial slide, I think he's then bound by the same rules as between the bases.    Thoughts?

 

PU was also lucky to get a tag out instead of having to make a hard to sell out of the base path out call. I would like to see NCAA address whether this is an out of the base path sitch or not.

You sound like head trainer for association that I belong to with the terminology you used.  Good points and I will be sure to follow this one to learn more.  Was a crazy play

[labguy1971]

I think the term "Sometimes you just have to umpire" comes into play on plays like this. I think the umpire in the video did just that and got it right. Doesn't seem there is a lot to interpret here. 

Good points.  Blue did a good job on a crazy play by keeping his cool.

[Jimurray]

It's on the NCAA video now. Umpire positioning is discussed, 3BLX. No out of baseline mention but after the overrun of the plate I believe the commentator says the fielder could step on the plate and appeal the miss. I thought a tag was necessary with the runner attempting to return.

[noumpere]

I just looked and while I see two other new videos, I don't see this one.

[JaxRolo]

It's on the NCAA video now. Umpire positioning is discussed, 3BLX. No out of baseline mention but after the overrun of the plate I believe the commentator says the fielder could step on the plate and appeal the miss. I thought a tag was necessary with the runner attempting to return.

Good point on the missed base appeal. Why not?

[Sut'n Blue]

It's on the NCAA video now. Umpire positioning is discussed, 3BLX. No out of baseline mention but after the overrun of the plate I believe the commentator says the fielder could step on the plate and appeal the miss. I thought a tag was necessary with the runner attempting to return.

Good point on the missed base appeal. Why not?

I always thought the catcher had to tag the runner unless the runner leaves the area around the plate. The catcher's mistake, though it worked out, was in chasing the runner when he could have waited at the plate for the runner to come to him.

[Jimurray]

I just looked and while I see two other new videos, I don't see this one.

Not there for me now either. Probably correcting the audio.

Proof that it was there:

"Please go to https://ncaabaseball.arbitersports.com and click the VIDEO tab to view “Runners Lane Interference Clips,†“Batters Interference Coach Suspension,†and “ Swipe Tag Play at Plate.â€

[zm1283]

I watched it earlier, it was there. 

[noumpere]

 

 

It's on the NCAA video now. Umpire positioning is discussed, 3BLX. No out of baseline mention but after the overrun of the plate I believe the commentator says the fielder could step on the plate and appeal the miss. I thought a tag was necessary with the runner attempting to return.

Good point on the missed base appeal. Why not?

I always thought the catcher had to tag the runner unless the runner leaves the area around the plate. The catcher's mistake, though it worked out, was in chasing the runner when he could have waited at the plate for the runner to come to him.

 

NCAA 8-6.4 "The runner does not touch home plate and does not make an attempt to touch it.  The fielder may touch the runner or home plate."

 

Since the runner was still making an attempt, no appeal (yet).

 

Nothing specific about the dirt circle (or the dugout...)

[catsbackr]

If, while the catcher was trying to tag the first runner, the other runner from 2B tried to score, what would you have then?

[noumpere]

If, while the catcher was trying to tag the first runner, the other runner from 2B tried to score, what would you have then?

Another play.

[Richvee]

 

If, while the catcher was trying to tag the first runner, the other runner from 2B tried to score, what would you have then?

Another play.

 

If that 2nd runner touches the plate while this dance is still going on, I have him out for passing R3. 

[catsbackr]

Great answer!

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[JaxRolo]

 

 

If, while the catcher was trying to tag the first runner, the other runner from 2B tried to score, what would you have then?

Another play.

 

If that 2nd runner touches the plate while this dance is still going on, I have him out for passing R3. 

 

When did he pass him?

[johnnyg08]

He wouldn't be out for passing, but he (the lead runner) could no longer return to touch the missed base because a runner scored after the guy who missed it he can't go back to correct his baserunning error.

[Richvee]

He wouldn't be out for passing, but he (the lead runner) could no longer return to touch the missed base because a runner scored after the guy who missed it he can't go back to correct his baserunning error.

That makes more sense. I guess R3 has technically past home and missed the plate so he cannot be passed.

[stevis]

If, while the catcher was trying to tag the first runner, the other runner from 2B tried to score, what would you have then?

A beer on me after the game.