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MRG9999

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Joe West just suspended for one game without pay for grabbing the jersey of Papelbon.

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acpar72
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My first thought was that Joe would be having a "chat" with the crew after the game regarding no backup.

SJA
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HA! . . . didn't look like Joe needed any backup to me! . . . but I know what you mean. :-)

JaxRolo
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Not even close to excessive. We can not let players behave like this. Make an example of the MLB players and just maybe (not likely) it will have a trickle effect on our players and coaches that this

grayhawk

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The fact that it's only one game tells me that Torre and the top MLB brass probably agreed with how Joe handled it, but knew they had to do something for PR purposes.

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I think that's an appropriate and measured outcome. I understand Joe's reaction, I even somewhat applaud it - but 1 game feels right for it.

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Given the climate to suspend/fine/fire anyone for just about anything these days in professional sports, or any occupation for that matter, I'm not surprised Joe was suspended.  Even though it could have been waranted in this situation I think MLB had to take some action to say they saw it and can't condone it.  I agree with the previous poster in that one game shows they weren't too upset with Joe.  Maybe that they even understood why he did what he did. 

If Papelbon was a starter the 7 games wouldn't mean much.  But as a reliever that actually has some bite.  In those seven games he could have possibly pitched in 5 or 6 of them.     

Jocko

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Ok. I must say that I'm pretty shocked that the majority of you condone Joe's action. Should he just stand there and take it? No. Walk away. In a direction OTHER than into the aggressor. Is Papelbon a moron? Absolutely. Was Joe justified in the EJ? Probably. Should he have grabbed JP's jersey? Hell no. If this had happened anywhere but on the ball field, Joe wouldn't DREAM of a physical altercation with a professional athlete. He'd get his old fat ass whipped. Handily. Amazing how bravery multiplies when one is completely protected.

Now, I agree with Torre and the one game suspension. Joe knows better. Period.

Replacematt

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Ok. I must say that I'm pretty shocked that the majority of you condone Joe's action. Should he just stand there and take it? No. Walk away. In a direction OTHER than into the aggressor. Is Papelbon a moron? Absolutely. Was Joe justified in the EJ? Probably. Should he have grabbed JP's jersey? Hell no. If this had happened anywhere but on the ball field, Joe wouldn't DREAM of a physical altercation with a professional athlete. He'd get his old fat ass whipped. Handily. Amazing how bravery multiplies when one is completely protected.

Now, I agree with Torre and the one game suspension. Joe knows better. Period.

 

He did.

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scrounge

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Ok. I must say that I'm pretty shocked that the majority of you condone Joe's action. Should he just stand there and take it? No. Walk away. In a direction OTHER than into the aggressor. Is Papelbon a moron? Absolutely. Was Joe justified in the EJ? Probably. Should he have grabbed JP's jersey? Hell no. If this had happened anywhere but on the ball field, Joe wouldn't DREAM of a physical altercation with a professional athlete. He'd get his old fat ass whipped. Handily. Amazing how bravery multiplies when one is completely protected.

Now, I agree with Torre and the one game suspension. Joe knows better. Period.

 

He did.

 

 

Not exactly...he removed Papelbon from his path, then he walked away. There's a difference between even putting out a hand to ward a rampaging clown off and grabbing a fistful of jersey and actively pulling him off. I don't really mind what Joe did, but it's worthy of a 1 game slap on the wrist. A "yea, he had it coming to him, but still, don't do that".

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Ok. I must say that I'm pretty shocked that the majority of you condone Joe's action. Should he just stand there and take it? No. Walk away. In a direction OTHER than into the aggressor. Is Papelbon a moron? Absolutely. Was Joe justified in the EJ? Probably. Should he have grabbed JP's jersey? Hell no. If this had happened anywhere but on the ball field, Joe wouldn't DREAM of a physical altercation with a professional athlete. He'd get his old fat ass whipped. Handily. Amazing how bravery multiplies when one is completely protected.

Now, I agree with Torre and the one game suspension. Joe knows better. Period.

 

He did.

 

 

Not exactly...he removed Papelbon from his path, then he walked away. There's a difference between even putting out a hand to ward a rampaging clown off and grabbing a fistful of jersey and actively pulling him off. I don't really mind what Joe did, but it's worthy of a 1 game slap on the wrist. A "yea, he had it coming to him, but still, don't do that".

 

 

Yes, exactly. He tried to walk back to the field, and Papsmear got in front of him. It's plain as day; dipSH*# slides to his left to prevent Joe from going anywhere.

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zm1283

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Ok. I must say that I'm pretty shocked that the majority of you condone Joe's action. Should he just stand there and take it? No. Walk away. In a direction OTHER than into the aggressor. Is Papelbon a moron? Absolutely. Was Joe justified in the EJ? Probably. Should he have grabbed JP's jersey? Hell no. If this had happened anywhere but on the ball field, Joe wouldn't DREAM of a physical altercation with a professional athlete. He'd get his old fat ass whipped. Handily. Amazing how bravery multiplies when one is completely protected.

Now, I agree with Torre and the one game suspension. Joe knows better. Period.

 

I don't know. As someone on UEFL said, that was some pretty good "Old Man Strength" on display. 

 

Papelbon blocked his path when he tried to walk away. This "never touch a player" deal is good advice when you're dealing with minors. There are situations in professional and even some college sports when that goes out the window. 

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Jocko

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There were 359 other degrees of direction he could have taken amd Papelbon would have been the only aggressor. He chose to stand his ground. He did NOT avoid the contact. At that point, he initiated it. Ymmv, but if it does, I'd hate to be on a jury with you.

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There were 359 other degrees of direction he could have taken amd Papelbon would have been the only aggressor. He chose to stand his ground. He did NOT avoid the contact. At that point, he initiated it. Ymmv, but if it does, I'd hate to be on a jury with you.

Looked a lot closer to 180 Deg. to me. Yes he could have backed up/gone around but how long do you need to dance before taking care of the sitch.

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Haid D' Salaami

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What the hell heck is Billy Ripken talking about??!!

 

 

As umpires, we are the Guardians of The Game. I don't have to write a whole novel about the honor and sanctity of Baseball... what that Preppybrat (Papelbon, I know who) did is lewd, crude, and has no business being on display in baseball. Rule 9.01d is in the OBR book for a reason. West didn't "insert himself into the situation" just because he wanted to "make it about himself". West conducted it succinctly and directly, and as discreetly as possible. "Hey. John. Get out." (Or "You're done." or "You're gone.")

 

West was well within his rights to move Papelbon out of the way. Papelbon has already been ejected, and not only has Papelbon chased down West to confront him, but no-one else is coming in to intervene (especially off the Phillies). Pap's on his own on this one, and no apologies, Mr. West has a game to get back to... which Jonathan obviously doesn't want to be a part of any more.

 

Most of today's culture has lost respect for authority, and for consequences.

 

It would seem that Billy Ripken still thinks himself a young man, impervious to consequences. Or, he still is fostering the "Us (players and coaches) versus Them (Umpires)" stigma that continues to hide in dark corners of baseball.

 

Bravo Harold Reynolds. Bravo. I will be severely disappointed in MLB if West is punished in any way... and that's my sentiment as a fan and human being, not an umpire.

I will disagree.. we should never put our hands on players.. ( a great way to get a lawsuit against you). just let him bump you and he'll get a suspension. 

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Jocko

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@Jocko I normally agree with you on 99% of things but not this one buddy. Papelfudge is an idiot.

No doubt whatsoever Papelbon is a DB. That doesn't justify assault. Joe let go his professionalism and stooped below himself. If a AAA fill in had done the identical same thing, he'd have probably been fired.
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@Jocko I normally agree with you on 99% of things but not this one buddy. Papelfudge is an idiot.
No doubt whatsoever Papelbon is a DB. That doesn't justify assault. Joe let go his professionalism and stooped below himself. If a AAA fill in had done the identical same thing, he'd have probably been fired.

I agree with you. But seniority has its privileges. Not that what Joe did was right. It was 100% wrong. But if Kershaw goes out over 4 straight starts and gives up 6 runs and can't get out of the 2nd inning, I guarantee you the Dodgers won't fire him. But if a Triple A call up does it, he probably never gets another shot at the Show.

Jocko

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@Jocko I normally agree with you on 99% of things but not this one buddy. Papelfudge is an idiot.

No doubt whatsoever Papelbon is a DB. That doesn't justify assault. Joe let go his professionalism and stooped below himself. If a AAA fill in had done the identical same thing, he'd have probably been fired.

I agree with you. But seniority has its privileges. Not that what Joe did was right. It was 100% wrong. But if Kershaw goes out over 4 straight starts and gives up 6 runs and can't get out of the 2nd inning, I guarantee you the Dodgers won't fire him. But if a Triple A call up does it, he probably never gets another shot at the Show.yep

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