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maven
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Easy balk call. He did not step backward per 8.01(e), but clearly to the side. Since that step was not a legal disengagement, then, it's a balk for violating 8.05(c ).   I would call this 100% of th

blue23ll
blue23ll

And if you have to "slow it down" to make it look legal, it's a balk in real time!! I had one of my only bruhaha's this season calling this same move a balk. 

Replacematt
Replacematt

It actually looks worse, like a fake jump turn, in real time. Only when you slow it down do you see how close it is to being legal. 

maven

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Easy balk call. He did not step backward per 8.01(e), but clearly to the side. Since that step was not a legal disengagement, then, it's a balk for violating 8.05(c ).

 

I would call this 100% of the time at any level with balks. Major, major advantage to F1 if you don't.

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Jimurray

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Ned Yost did not "dispute" the call. He would have been ejected. He was allowed to come out and get an explanation of this balk which is allowed unless a step balk was called.

JaxRolo

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Might be a knee pop in there also. I'm not strong on recognizing knee pops. Anyone else have one?
that was my first thought when I saw it.
zm1283

zm1283

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. I thought it was a quick disengage that looked worse from the home plate view than it really was. 

Replacematt

Replacematt

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

zm1283

zm1283

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

Replacematt

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

zm1283

zm1283

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

 

 

Why not?

Replacematt

Replacematt

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

 

 

Why not?

 

 

It was more to the side, not the back.

Thunderheads

Thunderheads

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

 

 

Why not?

 

 

It was more to the side, not the back.

 

And you think they saw that little (tiny) bit of direction change in real time?

Replacematt

Replacematt

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

 

 

Why not?

 

 

It was more to the side, not the back.

 

And you think they saw that little (tiny) bit of direction change in real time?

 

 

It actually looks worse, like a fake jump turn, in real time. Only when you slow it down do you see how close it is to being legal. 

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Thunderheads

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He stepped off the back of the rubber, not to the side. The only thing I can figure is they thought he started his feint to first before he disengaged. Pitchers at all levels do this all the time and it's never called. I was watching this live and thought it was a weak balk call. 

 

Not true. The only leeway given is if the front foot moves before the back foot lands. This is a no-SH*# call.

 

 

If you pause the video right when his pivot foot hits the ground on the back side of the rubber, his left (free) foot has barely moved and his heel looks like it is still on the ground. 

 

Doesn't matter, since the disengagement wasn't legal.

 

 

Why not?

 

 

It was more to the side, not the back.

 

And you think they saw that little (tiny) bit of direction change in real time?

 

 

It actually looks worse, like a fake jump turn, in real time. Only when you slow it down do you see how close it is to being legal. 

 

this is actually a good explanation of this .......

ricka56

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Problem with the views given is that you don't see how far backwards the step was. With the CF camera you can't see any movement in the backwards direction. If you had a look from 3B you probably wouldn't be able to see any movement towards 3B either.  So how far to the right did he step? Look at the before/after move pics.

 

 

It looks like the movement to the rght was about 4 inches. The width of the rubber is 6 inches. If his step was behind the rubber (can't tell) and 4 inches to the right, which direction was the step more towards ?

 

There isn't enough video angles to tell one way or the other.

 

 

blue23ll

blue23ll

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And if you have to "slow it down" to make it look legal, it's a balk in real time!! I had one of my only bruhaha's this season calling this same move a balk. 

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StrikeDavis

StrikeDavis

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And if you have to "slow it down" to make it look legal, it's a balk in real time!! I had one of my only bruhaha's this season calling this same move a balk. 

 

Exactly.  While I appreciate all the freeze frames and slow motion breakdowns, I do not get that luxury in my games.  In real time I have this as a balk.  

mrumpiresir

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I have always looked for a distinct move when he legally steps back off the rubber.  If I don't see the "distinct move", and in the video it looks more like a spin move from the rubber, he had better throw to first or I'm balking him.

zm1283

zm1283

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And if you have to "slow it down" to make it look legal, it's a balk in real time!! I had one of my only bruhaha's this season calling this same move a balk. 

 

Or if you have to slow it down to justify that it was a balk, you were probably better off just leaving it alone to begin with.

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