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Thunderheads

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Ok ..

Question ......

I've done ONE 4 man game and I was on the plate, so ......... at 2nd ...when the initial throw comes from F9 to F5 .... Nelson is inside.....when the ball passes him on the way to F5, he moves outside, and it appears it puts him in a spot where he's blocked out.  What's correct here for U2 movement on a play like this?

 

p.s. the stumble was just .......well, ...a stumble

 

http://m.mlb.com/video/topic/63817564/v35136007

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RichMSN
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I learned this at a camp last year -- when the ball goes home (or to third), U2 prepares for a play at second by going back outside -- that way he's not in the way of a throw and can take the play lik

Jimurray
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It also is the best look at most steals of 2B.

DVA7130

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He sure must have been moving fast. Inside on the throw to third, it pans up and poof, outside. Threw on the brakes too fast :smile:

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He sure must have been moving fast. Inside on the throw to third, it pans up and poof, outside. Threw on the brakes too fast :smile:

Yup! Watch it, you can see him when the camera follows the throw to 3rd.....when the throw comes back to 2nd, ...boom , he's there!

 

Is that proper positioning/movement?

 

I'm asking because I don't know

RichMSN

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I learned this at a camp last year -- when the ball goes home (or to third), U2 prepares for a play at second by going back outside -- that way he's not in the way of a throw and can take the play like a play at the plate.  So I'd praise Nelson's awareness and hustle - he was just cursed with bad footing.

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MadMax

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I echo @RichMSN's insight, and having worked Rabbit (U2) frequently and trying to study the MLB method, and its unique quirks so as to understand the differences, I can say this...

Firstly, a MLB Rabbit never (or extremely rarely) sets up initially at C. This is to allow the CF (ie. Primary) camera to see the battery, the batter and the plate unobstructed. In these higher-level games, the variable that is at the forefront is how _fast_ the ball moves. My best guess is that these umpires are instructed that as soon as your base is clear, to reposition yourself to anticipate action (runner and/or ball) re-arriving at your base or AOR. In this, 2B is treated like 3B or the Plate, where you have two vectors of action coming at you, and you want to be at approximately a right angle to the throw, yes?

If you see Jeff Nelson's set-up point, it was spot-on... But his tripping, and the momentum carried him more towards CF. So, after performing his Plank or Downward Facing Dog mechanic, he found himself more behind the play than he would have liked.

Haid D' Salaami

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I echo @RichMSN's insight, and having worked Rabbit (U2) frequently and trying to study the MLB method, and its unique quirks so as to understand the differences, I can say this...

Firstly, a MLB Rabbit never (or extremely rarely) sets up initially at C. This is to allow the CF (ie. Primary) camera to see the battery, the batter and the plate unobstructed. In these higher-level games, the variable that is at the forefront is how _fast_ the ball moves. My best guess is that these umpires are instructed that as soon as your base is clear, to reposition yourself to anticipate action (runner and/or ball) re-arriving at your base or AOR. In this, 2B is treated like 3B or the Plate, where you have two vectors of action coming at you, and you want to be at approximately a right angle to the throw, yes?

If you see Jeff Nelson's set-up point, it was spot-on... But his tripping, and the momentum carried him more towards CF. So, after performing his Plank or Downward Facing Dog mechanic, he found himself more behind the play than he would have liked.

That has nothing to do why they setup in "B" or "C".. it is all personal preference.

JaxRolo

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I echo @RichMSN's insight, and having worked Rabbit (U2) frequently and trying to study the MLB method, and its unique quirks so as to understand the differences, I can say this...

Firstly, a MLB Rabbit never (or extremely rarely) sets up initially at C. This is to allow the CF (ie. Primary) camera to see the battery, the batter and the plate unobstructed. In these higher-level games, the variable that is at the forefront is how _fast_ the ball moves. My best guess is that these umpires are instructed that as soon as your base is clear, to reposition yourself to anticipate action (runner and/or ball) re-arriving at your base or AOR. In this, 2B is treated like 3B or the Plate, where you have two vectors of action coming at you, and you want to be at approximately a right angle to the throw, yes?

If you see Jeff Nelson's set-up point, it was spot-on... But his tripping, and the momentum carried him more towards CF. So, after performing his Plank or Downward Facing Dog mechanic, he found himself more behind the play than he would have liked.

That has nothing to do why they setup in "B" or "C".. it is all personal preference.

 

A Triple A guys told me that they teach BUs to go to B with runner on 1st. 3 and 4 man because they work mostly 2 man and you always setup in B for 2-man. So why change the view you have most of the time. Makes it more consistent.

Jimurray

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I echo @RichMSN's insight, and having worked Rabbit (U2) frequently and trying to study the MLB method, and its unique quirks so as to understand the differences, I can say this...

Firstly, a MLB Rabbit never (or extremely rarely) sets up initially at C. This is to allow the CF (ie. Primary) camera to see the battery, the batter and the plate unobstructed. In these higher-level games, the variable that is at the forefront is how _fast_ the ball moves. My best guess is that these umpires are instructed that as soon as your base is clear, to reposition yourself to anticipate action (runner and/or ball) re-arriving at your base or AOR. In this, 2B is treated like 3B or the Plate, where you have two vectors of action coming at you, and you want to be at approximately a right angle to the throw, yes?

If you see Jeff Nelson's set-up point, it was spot-on... But his tripping, and the momentum carried him more towards CF. So, after performing his Plank or Downward Facing Dog mechanic, he found himself more behind the play than he would have liked.

That has nothing to do why they setup in "B" or "C".. it is all personal preference.

 

A Triple A guys told me that they teach BUs to go to B with runner on 1st. 3 and 4 man because they work mostly 2 man and you always setup in B for 2-man. So why change the view you have most of the time. Makes it more consistent.

 

 

It also is the best look at most steals of 2B.

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Rulekeep

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Man...I noticed that Nelson didn't even smile or laugh after he fell...Does he have no personality?

He has personality but with personality comes shame.
Rulekeep

Rulekeep

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@Rulekeep - Have you met him?

A buddy of mine has and says he's actually quite likable.

But I know I wouldn't be smiling after taking a spill like that on national television.

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