Rule 4.09 (a) and (b)... Valid or invalid run?

[oswalmar]

Hi guys!

 

Baseball (OBR): Extrainning, 2 OUTS, GAME TIED, BOTTOM OF THE INNING 11, R1, R2. The Batter (B) hits between CF and RF, the R2 scores easily, the R1 stops his run and returns to congratulate the BR after he reached first base. The visiting team saw that the R1 not stepped on second and made the appeal on that base. The U2 called the runner out (3rd forced out, the run is void). The U1 said the appeal is not admissible in this situation and awarded (to valid) the run. Who is right? What do you think?

[Larry in TN]

It should be an exciting 12th inning...

[BigUmp56]

Of course the appeal was admissible! The run should have come off of the board.

 

This is esentially the same play:

 

APPROVED RULING: Two out, Jones on second, Smith on first and batter, Brown, hits

home run inside the park. All three runs cross the plate. But Jones missed third base, and on appeal is

declared out. Three outs. Smith’s and Brown’s runs are voided. No score on the play.

 

 

Tim.

[sdix00]

The run does not score.   But only a technicality here, this is not an appeal, it is a regular force play.  

 

Players cannot be appealed for never reaching their base, only missing their base.

 

It would probably never matter, but it can theoretically make a difference (say if there were a play at another base).

[blue23ll]

Sounds like U1 wanted to go home.

[oswalmar]

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

[bam]

 

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

 

Only applicable on a walk

[BigUmp56]

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

You might ask them to read the approved rulings that add clarity to how this should have been called. There's little wiggle room for interpretation in them.

Tim.

[maven]

 

 

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

 

Only applicable on a walk or other awarded base (HBP, etc.).

 

FIFY.

[bam]

 

 

 

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

 

Only applicable on a walk or other awarded base (HBP, etc.).

 

FIFY.

 

Yes - with the other instances.  AND in OBR (and NCAA?), but a timing play in FED

[noumpere]

 

 

 

 

Thanks to all colleagues who responded.

 

Just wanted to share with you this situation that, from the beginning for me, was totally clear.

 

Basically, the colleagues who worked the afore mentioned game, have differences of interpretation between Rule 4.09 (a) and 4.09 (b). One of their (U1) argues that the rule 4.09 (b) is not explicit about the requirement of other runners in reach next bases to validate the run, and therefore enforced this rule and not the 4.09 (a), without realizing it, from my point of view, that is a different situation from that stated at the 4.09 (b). 4.09 (a): plays in motion (certainly C1 did not reach 2nd base); 4.09 (b) BB with bases loaded (players protected until the next base).

 

Only applicable on a walk or other awarded base (HBP, etc.).

 

FIFY.

 

Yes - with the other instances.  AND in OBR (and NCAA?), but a timing play in FED

 

Im confused.  Again, lol.  How is this a timing play in FED.  Its still an out by a runner forced to advance so no run scores, unless Im missing something.