2 strikes 1 pitch

[JaxRolo]

What’s the rule where you can get 2 strikes on 1 pitch?? 

[BT_Blue]

I would think it would have to do with a batter not entering the box.

[JaxRolo]

Just now, yawetag said:

Batter stepping out on a pitch. Strike on the pitch, strike on the leaving the box.

Yes but I need to find the rule in the book but can’t find it...

 

I called this today and need to prove I was right...

[yawetag]

I was slightly wrong, so deleted that post. Here's the one I was thinking of:

7.3.1H(b)

[BT_Blue]

5 minutes ago, JaxRolo said:

Yes but I need to find the rule in the book but can’t find it...

 

I called this today and need to prove I was right...

Come on Gunny. You should just look then deadpan in the eyes and ask them... "don't you know who I am?" Lol

[JonnyCat]

I think you want to look at 6-2-4d-1. That specifies how you can get 2 strikes on 1 pitch.

[JaxRolo]

 A strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1 (leaves the batters box). If the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter.

[Jimurray]

11 hours ago, JaxRolo said:

 A strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1 (leaves the batters box). If the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter.

How did the batter delay the game if a pitch was delivered?  Most of us are going to stick with one strike. 

[beerguy55]

On 3/15/2019 at 8:41 PM, JaxRolo said:

What’s the rule where you can get 2 strikes on 1 pitch?? 

 

On 3/15/2019 at 9:30 PM, JaxRolo said:

 A strike shall be called on the batter for violation of 7-3-1 (leaves the batters box). If the pitcher legally delivers the ball, it shall be called a strike and the ball remains live. Thus, two strikes are called on the batter.

Is this the exact scenario you had?  Batter steps out, call strike.  PItcher throws.  Call a strike.

'cause you could also have Pitcher Throws, call strike.  Batter steps out and delays, call strike.  Batter delays more, call strike.   Not only two strikes on one pitch, but three strikes on one pitch.

 

According to 7-3-1 you could get three strikes on no pitches, could you not?

 

 

 

[Jimurray]

3 hours ago, beerguy55 said:

 

Is this the exact scenario you had?  Batter steps out, call strike.  PItcher throws.  Call a strike.

'cause you could also have Pitcher Throws, call strike.  Batter steps out and delays, call strike.  Batter delays more, call strike.   Not only two strikes on one pitch, but three strikes on one pitch.

 

According to 7-3-1 you could get three strikes on no pitches, could you not?

 

 

 

Didn’t that happen in the minor leagues?  It could in FED also. Two strikes on one pitch can be justified by the caseplay but not the rule. Your choice whether you call one or two. 

[johnnyg08]

On 3/15/2019 at 9:48 PM, JaxRolo said:

Yes but I need to find the rule in the book but can’t find it...

 

I called this today and need to prove I was right...

Make the coach prove you were wrong not the other way around. 

He doesn't care. He just wanted to complain.

[grayhawk]

On 3/16/2019 at 8:09 AM, Jimurray said:

How did the batter delay the game if a pitch was delivered?  Most of us are going to stick with one strike. 

100% this.  I better be convinced the batter delayed the game to get the second strike.

[umpstu]

1 hour ago, grayhawk said:

100% this.  I better be convinced the batter delayed the game to get the second strike.

And I'd be telling that batter to get back in the box.  Not a great booger to pick if you can do a little preventive umpiring.

[Aging_Arbiter]

I'll ask him twice to get back in the box.  There is no third request.

[beerguy55]

12 hours ago, grayhawk said:

100% this.  I better be convinced the batter delayed the game to get the second strike.

 

10 hours ago, umpstu said:

And I'd be telling that batter to get back in the box.  Not a great booger to pick if you can do a little preventive umpiring.

The ruling above (which is in the Pitching section of the rule book, and then references Rule 7 for the batter's part in the scenario), seems to be in the context of the batter causing, or potentially causing, the pitcher to "balk" by calling time and stepping out of the box without time granted - sounds like FED wants, when the pitcher is on the rubber and the batter is in the box, if the batter steps out with BOTH feet, a strike called immediately.  And then if the pitcher throws while the batter is going "wtf?" a second strike should be called.

This, to me, seems to fly in the face of the quick pitch rule and the safety therein - encouraging/allowing the pitcher to pitch when the batter (and possibly the catcher/umpire) clearly isn't ready.

13 hours ago, Jimurray said:

Didn’t that happen in the minor leagues?  It could in FED also. Two strikes on one pitch can be justified by the caseplay but not the rule. Your choice whether you call one or two. 

 

[grayhawk]

It has nothing to do with the batter causing the pitcher to balk.  It's about pace of play.  If the batter steps out with one foot and the pitcher delivers, it's a strike regardless of the location of the pitch.  If the batter steps out with two feet and the pitcher delivers, it's a strike regardless of the location of the pitch, AND IF THE BATTER DELAYS THE GAME IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE UMPIRE, then a second strike shall be issued.

5.2.1 SITUATION A: After F1 has started his delivery, B1 steps out of the batter’s box without being granted “Time.” RULING: If F1 delivers a legal pitch, the umpire shall call the pitch a strike regardless of the location. A second strike may be called, if, in the umpire’s judgment, B1 caused unnecessary delay. The ball remains live. Whether time is granted to the batter shall be umpire judgment.

[noumpere]

50 minutes ago, grayhawk said:

 AND IF THE BATTER THEN DELAYS THE GAME IN THE JUDGMENT OF THE UMPIRE, then a second strike shall be issued.

 

Agreed -- and edited to make it easier (I hope) to understand / interpret.

 

The case plays don't do a good job of making it clear that the delay is assumed.  "Two strikes on one pitch" is technically correct, but it's really "a strike on the pitch, and then a strike for the second action of delay."  When a pitch is NOT thrown, that second part could be written as "one strike on no pitches" but no one does that -- and, imo, no one shoudl write the "two sstrikes on one pitch" either -- it's too confusing