Chicken Fest last night!

[Thunderheads]

All links don't' have embed feature yet.............

Pirates-Reds

http://m.mlb.com/video/v464989983/?query=balk

Dodgers-Angels (Kershaw)

http://m.mlb.com/video/v466265883/?query=balk

Rays-Tigers

http://m.mlb.com/video/v465984983/?query=balk

Jays-Red Sox

http://m.mlb.com/video/v465144283/?query=balk

Jays-Red Sox - AGAIN

http://m.mlb.com/video/v465579083/?query=balk

 

 

[stkjock]

The Kershaw balk, is it me or did it take the PU a bit more time than usual to call it?  too used to RH pitchers which Kershaw's move would not have been a balk for?

 

on the Gomes balk in the Rays game, because he did not disengage the right foot first?

[Thunderheads]

The Kershaw balk, is it me or did it take the PU a bit more time than usual to call it?  too used to RH pitchers which Kershaw's move would not have been a balk for?

 

on the Gomes balk in the Rays game, because he did not disengage the right foot first?

please rephrase  can't understand

no, ...I believe that was a hop spin over the rubber, ...didn't gain distance

[maven]

The Kershaw balk, is it me or did it take the PU a bit more time than usual to call it?  too used to RH pitchers which Kershaw's move would not have been a balk for?

 

on the Gomes balk in the Rays game, because he did not disengage the right foot first?

1. Could be. We want to be sure, and nothing else is happening, so take a second to process that.

2. No, disengaging is not required. This is a jump step, but the free foot gained no distance toward 1B, which makes it technically a "no step" balk. (A step toward the base ahead of the throw is required by rule: by interpretation, the step must include both distance and direction toward the base.) Naturally, the announcer is utterly without a clue.

[Thunderheads]

1. Could be. We want to be sure, and nothing else is happening, so take a second to process that.

2. No, disengaging is not required. This is a jump step, but the free foot gained no distance toward 1B, which makes it technically a "no step" balk. (A step toward the base ahead of the throw is required by rule: by interpretation, the step must include both distance and direction toward the base.) Naturally, the announcer is utterly without a clue.

holy crap I think I got this one!

[stkjock]

@Thunderheads

on Kershaw - watch the time it takes for the PU to react to the step off the pitcher's plate. He seems to take 2-3 seconds to make the balk call.  From what I've watched/seen MLBUs seem to be johnny on the spot as soon as the pitcher flinches.   Kershaw steps off, right foot first, which if he were a RH pitcher - would be proper, so my thought was it too PU a few seconds to digest what he did, realized a LH pitcher needs to disengage with the left foot first, then calls it. 

1. Could be. We want to be sure, and nothing else is happening, so take a second to process that.

2. No, disengaging is not required. This is a jump step, but the free foot gained no distance toward 1B, which makes it technically a "no step" balk. (A step toward the base ahead of the throw is required by rule: by interpretation, the step must include both distance and direction toward the base.) Naturally, the announcer is utterly without a clue.

So I watched the Gomes call again after your comments and see exactly what you gentlemen refer too, thank you, funny how wrong the announcers had it.

 

as far as distance from the rubber, does it matter in witch direction the distance is, IOW - towards first, second, home make any difference or is it just away from the rubber?

 

[Thunderheads]

@Thunderheads

on Kershaw - watch the time it takes for the PU to react to the step off the pitcher's plate. He seems to take 2-3 seconds to make the balk call.  From what I've watched/seen MLBUs seem to be johnny on the spot as soon as the pitcher flinches.   Kershaw steps off, right foot first, which if he were a RH pitcher - would be proper, so my thought was it too PU a few seconds to digest what he did, realized a LH pitcher needs to disengage with the left foot first, then calls it. 

 

No .....  I think it was moreso ....... "did he just ......wait, ....YES HE DID, that's a balk!"  Because .... that's pretty rare for a pro to disengage like that w/ the wrong foot .... 

[maven]

 

as far as distance from the rubber, does it matter in witch direction the distance is, IOW - towards first, second, home make any difference or is it just away from the rubber?

The rule requires a "step toward the base" ahead of the throw.

By interpretation, a step is distance + direction: that is, F1's free foot must gain distance, and not land where it was or merely spin in place. And that distance must be in the direction of the base, that is, within about a 45° angle either way of directly toward the base (those limits make the step more toward that base than toward any other base).

I think I'd fall off my chair if an announcer bothered to learn about "distance and direction," which makes step balks much more intelligible.

[stkjock]

Thank you Maven

[catsbackr]

As for the delay on Kershaw, every one of us has seen a balk, not called it and then thought, dang it, that was a balk.  

 

So even if there was a delay, at least the HP ump got it.

 

A couple of the others, I don't know, I ask myself, who was deceived?

[Thunderheads]

As for the delay on Kershaw, every one of us has seen a balk, not called it and then thought, dang it, that was a balk.  

 

So even if there was a delay, at least the HP ump got it.

 

A couple of the others, I don't know, I ask myself, who was deceived?

are you saying you didn't see balks in the other videos?

[catsbackr]

No, I've got balks in all of them.  Technically.

 

The start/stop balk, all I'm asking is who was deceived?  That's all.

[Thunderheads]

No, I've got balks in all of them.  Technically.

 

The start/stop balk, all I'm asking is who was deceived?  That's all.

maybe no one, but it doesn't matter ..... it's an illegal move by F1

[stkjock]

As for the delay on Kershaw, every one of us has seen a balk, not called it and then thought, dang it, that was a balk.  

 

So even if there was a delay, at least the HP ump got it.

 

oh I agree, he got it right, it just caught my eye and wondered about it.

[maven]

The last one, a no-stop balk, is crucial to get at every level with balks, as that confers an enormous advantage to the defense. He bounced right through that, and the hands merely changing direction is not a discernible stop.

[grayhawk]

 

A couple of the others, I don't know, I ask myself, who was deceived?

You're asking yourself that question because...?

[catsbackr]

Because I want to I guess. Why? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[grayhawk]

Because I want to I guess. Why? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Because balks happen all the time where no runner was deceived.  I just fail to see how it's relevant.

[catsbackr]

Maybe it's not relevant.  Sorry for speaking.

[grayhawk]

Maybe it's not relevant.  Sorry for speaking.

Don't let it happen again. 

[catsbackr]

Do the letters FO mean anything to you?  

[grayhawk]

Do the letters FO mean anything to you?  

FO shizzle?

[Mudder]

As for the delay on Kershaw, every one of us has seen a balk, not called it and then thought, dang it, that was a balk.  

 

So even if there was a delay, at least the HP ump got it.

 

A couple of the others, I don't know, I ask myself, who was deceived?

I know for me when F1 is on the rubber in the windup, and they disengage, I have to think about it and replay it in my head for a second to make sure I saw which foot he stepped off with.  I know in my head its the foot on the same side as the throwing hand for both RHP or LHP, but when it does happen, rarely, I still have to take the extra second to replay it in my head to determine if its the correct foot or not.

[Thunderheads]

FO shizzle?

GREAT JOB YOU GUYS!!!!

[Richvee]

1. Kudos to Martinez in Toronto's booth. Knew why both were balks.

2. Mattingly stepping out of the dugout made me laugh..Kershaw talks with PU, then gives a look toward Mattingly coming out of the dugout like "Don't embarrass yourself. Get the back in there. Everybony but you knows what I did"

3. Tiger announcer made me laugh. First he says he has to step off, then says "see how he moves his head up and down like he's going home? "