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BillKen

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A guy in my assoc. called me today with a "thing" that happened Friday night in a super small school DISTRICT VARSITY contest.  Keep in mind that this game is out in the sticks...like country to the bone where everyone is a good ol boy.  To make a long story a little shorter...Team A batted out of order bc their pitcher was being a jackwagon as they came off the field (having been on defense and not playing efficient defense)...so the coach wanted to pull him.  The# 9 hole leads off the bottom half of the inning with an out and the pitcher is in the #2 hole.  Not sure what happened with the 1 hole but he did bat.  The offense skips the 2 hole (I guess he was in time out) and bats the normal #3 in the #2 slot.  #3 gets on base and #4 comes to bat.  He takes a ball and the defense (visitors) calls time and the coach reports the BOO...which is nothing now that a pitch has been thrown.  The umps get together bc there is a rookie on the dish...the vet explains the whole deal and guarantees the coaches that the situation is not "fixable".  Somehow...Some way...the coaches agree to start the inning over...like a do-over from the #9 batter.  Vet tells them they can't do that and threatens to leave if they try to deviate from the rulebook...Rookie is confused as all get out...and finally at the insistence of the coaches...they take all the runners off the bag and the outs off the board and #9 gets in the box with a bat and a 0-0 count!

 

I know they can't do this...but would you really walk off the field in this situation by insisting that the game be continued under the rules of the game?  With both coaches agreeing...are they giving up their rights to later complain about it or "protest" to the district committee or the state association? 

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noumpere
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That's better than being known as "the umpire whose wife looks like Larry."  ; 0

kylehutson
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Hmmm...   I'd have to say that I would do what both coaches (and the rookie partner) agreed to, but send in a report to the association, so that at the very least they know you know better.

Magic
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That might work in OC, CA, but in East Texas 2A/3A, you would probably have to fight your way out of there if you took this approach...no joke. Do you really want to start a firestorm or do you want t

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kylehutson

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Hmmm...

 

I'd have to say that I would do what both coaches (and the rookie partner) agreed to, but send in a report to the association, so that at the very least they know you know better.

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BaltimoreUmpire

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I don't agree with the reset but if I am working with a rookie who is willing to break the rules on this I'm gonna be sticking around because who knows what rule the rookie might "compromise" around next, and I'm not leaving him alone to potentially cause a serious problem with another compromise. I sure as hell wouldn't have let this go down though, what if #9 hits a deep ball, trips and breaks his leg rounding 1st? Suddenly by allowing a redo you MAY be liable and even if not you still might have to deal with a $hit storm in the aftermath. If I ever leave a game early(and I have once) I sure as hell am not leaving my partner behind, especially when he seems like the type to let the coaches run all over him.

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A guy in my assoc. called me today with a "thing" that happened Friday night in a super small school DISTRICT VARSITY contest.  Keep in mind that this game is out in the sticks...like country to the bone where everyone is a good ol boy.  To make a long story a little shorter...Team A batted out of order bc their pitcher was being a jackwagon as they came off the field (having been on defense and not playing efficient defense)...so the coach wanted to pull him.  The# 9 hole leads off the bottom half of the inning with an out and the pitcher is in the #2 hole.  Not sure what happened with the 1 hole but he did bat.  The offense skips the 2 hole (I guess he was in time out) and bats the normal #3 in the #2 slot.  #3 gets on base and #4 comes to bat.  He takes a ball and the defense (visitors) calls time and the coach reports the BOO...which is nothing now that a pitch has been thrown.  The umps get together bc there is a rookie on the dish...the vet explains the whole deal and guarantees the coaches that the situation is not "fixable".  Somehow...Some way...the coaches agree to start the inning over...like a do-over from the #9 batter.  Vet tells them they can't do that and threatens to leave if they try to deviate from the rulebook...Rookie is confused as all get out...and finally at the insistence of the coaches...they take all the runners off the bag and the outs off the board and #9 gets in the box with a bat and a 0-0 count!

 

I know they can't do this...but would you really walk off the field in this situation by insisting that the game be continued under the rules of the game?  With both coaches agreeing...are they giving up their rights to later complain about it or "protest" to the district committee or the state association?

What actually happened that the coaches could protest or complain about? Did the partner leave? The rookie was UIC. Partner should stay and file a rules miss application report to TASO/UIL after the game. They are not giving up their rights to complain. They don't have any right to protest. I think there are occasions where an umpire would leave the contest but this isn't one of them.

Mudisfun

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

Hope to God this train wreck never happens to me...

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ricka56

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

 

That might work in OC, CA, but in East Texas 2A/3A, you would probably have to fight your way out of there if you took this approach...no joke. Do you really want to start a firestorm or do you want to just let the teams decide the game. In these games of little consequence (to me) the more rules coaches agree to waive the better I like it (except for safety rules). Free substitution...no problem. 5 run max per inning...great Idea.

 

No reason to suggest that you'd make a good parking lot pinata. Lets all have a good time.

Magic

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

Hope to God this train wreck never happens to me...

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

That might work in OC, CA, but in East Texas 2A/3A, you would probably have to fight your way out of there if you took this approach...no joke. Do you really want to start a firestorm or do you want to just let the teams decide the game. In these games of little consequence (to me) the more rules coaches agree to waive the better I like it (except for safety rules). Free substitution...no problem. 5 run max per inning...great Idea.

No reason to suggest that you'd make a good parking lot pinata. Lets all have a good time.

That wouldn't happen in Orange County, because coaches out here know the rules. Billy Joe Jim Bob is not coaching the team. And Larry the Cable Guy is not his assistant.

But @Mudisfun would not start ejecting coaches. Not over something like this. If he did he would realize, there would be a lot more problems than what it's worth. I would just look at both Coaches and say, "I disagree with this 100% and I am going to be sending a letter to my IC and my Assignor and let them know what happened. But let's get the game in." After all it is about the kids.

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Tksjewelry

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

Hope to God this train wreck never happens to me...

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

That might work in OC, CA, but in East Texas 2A/3A, you would probably have to fight your way out of there if you took this approach...no joke. Do you really want to start a firestorm or do you want to just let the teams decide the game. In these games of little consequence (to me) the more rules coaches agree to waive the better I like it (except for safety rules). Free substitution...no problem. 5 run max per inning...great Idea.

No reason to suggest that you'd make a good parking lot pinata. Lets all have a good time.

That wouldn't happen in Orange County, because coaches out here know the rules. Billy Joe Jim Bob is not coaching the team. And Larry the Cable Guy is not his assistant.

But @Mudisfun would not start ejecting coaches. Not over something like this. If he did he would realize, there would be a lot more problems than what it's worth. I would just look at both Coaches and say, "I disagree with this 100% and I am going to be sending a letter to my IC and my Assignor and let them know what happened. But let's get the game in." After all it is about the kids.

Games Worked Too Damn Many

Larry the Cable Guy is actually from Nebraska and he is indeed a baseball coach, albeit not HS ball. ^_^

Mudisfun

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Technically I am a cable guy from California!

Man... I just awoke from the nicest dream. Coaches ejected and no umpires being used as a piñata.

I do have issue with the don't take it away from the kids line. What kids? What ages? Little league ages and this is not happening... HS ages I would be shocked to have two coaches agree on anything like this since one is getting the short end if he agrees to the reset.

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BillKen

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I don't agree with the reset but if I am working with a rookie who is willing to break the rules on this I'm gonna be sticking around because who knows what rule the rookie might "compromise" around next, and I'm not leaving him alone to potentially cause a serious problem with another compromise. I sure as hell wouldn't have let this go down though, what if #9 hits a deep ball, trips and breaks his leg rounding 1st? Suddenly by allowing a redo you MAY be liable and even if not you still might have to deal with a $hit storm in the aftermath. If I ever leave a game early(and I have once) I sure as hell am not leaving my partner behind, especially when he seems like the type to let the coaches run all over him.

The rookie didn't know what to do.  The vet was the one who offered to leave (as a crew) and the coaches didn't want any part of that.  It all came down to the home coach feeling guilty that he didn't handle his sub situation properly...so he wanted to do right by taking his runner off the bag and fixing the BOO.  He probably also thought he was doing the rookie a favor by fixing the BOO for him.  

ALStripes17

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Coach that is not the rule. Put a P in the book and move on. We are not 'resetting' the inning.

This is your warning. Oh, don't agree and are arguing then your Ejected. Next coach want to stay? No? EJ.

Eventually they follow the rule or there will be no coaches left to argue and the game is suspended. The rookie is protected and a travesty is averted.

That might work in OC, CA, but in East Texas 2A/3A, you would probably have to fight your way out of there if you took this approach...no joke. Do you really want to start a firestorm or do you want to just let the teams decide the game. In these games of little consequence (to me) the more rules coaches agree to waive the better I like it (except for safety rules). Free substitution...no problem. 5 run max per inning...great Idea.

No reason to suggest that you'd make a good parking lot pinata. Lets all have a good time.

If it was free substitution, no such thing as BOO :)

ZebraStripes

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Larry the Cable Guy is actually from Nebraska and he is indeed a baseball coach, albeit not HS ball. ^_^

 

He has a look a like that is an umpire here in Georgia.  Really cool dude.  His wife is cool too...Right @Umpirechick1

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GreyhoundAggie

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Do your HS umpires not have a state or local UIC to handle these kinds of situations?

Not in Texas. We have a rules interpreter at the state level, but you handle all issues on the field. Right or wrong.

BaltimoreUmpire

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I don't agree with the reset but if I am working with a rookie who is willing to break the rules on this I'm gonna be sticking around because who knows what rule the rookie might "compromise" around next, and I'm not leaving him alone to potentially cause a serious problem with another compromise. I sure as hell wouldn't have let this go down though, what if #9 hits a deep ball, trips and breaks his leg rounding 1st? Suddenly by allowing a redo you MAY be liable and even if not you still might have to deal with a $hit storm in the aftermath. If I ever leave a game early(and I have once) I sure as hell am not leaving my partner behind, especially when he seems like the type to let the coaches run all over him.

The rookie didn't know what to do. The vet was the one who offered to leave (as a crew) and the coaches didn't want any part of that. It all came down to the home coach feeling guilty that he didn't handle his sub situation properly...so he wanted to do right by taking his runner off the bag and fixing the BOO. He probably also thought he was doing the rookie a favor by fixing the BOO for him. It's entirely different to me if the vet was threatening to leave WITH his partner, my main problem was him leaving him behind. I get the rookies confusion but if his partner is telling him that it can't be done he should probably take his advice.
Umpirechick1

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My hubby on the left. He won a look alike contest here in Atlanta a few years ago and got to meet him. Larry (Dan) and his wife were both amazed. He's known as the "umpire who looks like Larry" or the "umpire who's wife is an umpire, too" haha

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noumpere

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My hubby on the left. He won a look alike contest here in Atlanta a few years ago and got to meet him. Larry (Dan) and his wife were both amazed. He's known as the "umpire who looks like Larry" or the "umpire who's wife is an umpire, too" haha

That's better than being known as "the umpire whose wife looks like Larry."  ; 0

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ZebraStripes

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While the round of 8 was going on up at CDP last year, I had someone congratulate me on my wife getting a spot in the championship game.  I wasn't aware that I looked anything like Larry the "Umpire" Guy.  I think I told you about that one that day didn't I, @Umpirechick1?

Umpirechick1

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HAHA - no, I don't think you did.  But it doesn't surprise me.  For some reason, people assume that anyone I work with on the field is my husband.  I wish he was going back this year!

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