National Anthem Standoff

[BT_Blue]

First, a kid I used to coach played at Coastal and is in that video. No idea what they are thinking.

Second, I'm number 6 I guess on knowing how to stand and hold hat.

Third, to answer the question on proper way to render courtesy for non-military; you stand facing the flag with left hand hanging straight at your side, right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart, no talking, laughing, chewing gum or tobacco nor spitting or looking around while music is playing. Eyes on the flag, body erect in a stance symbolizing respect no slouching etc.

Does that answer the question?

I kicked two of my legion players off the team in the state tourney the last season I coached for goofing and talking during the anthem. ( They'd been warned earlier.)

Yes, I take it serious.

IF this standoff crap occurs in one of my games I WILL get some ejections. I will warn at plate meetings from now on to try and nip it before it occurs.

Major Dave is a REAL American!

 

If this were to happen in any of my games I will send you the newspaper clipping on it.

Ditto here and count me as #7 by the way.

Oh, I got one for you guys...

Back when I was working college in Los Angeles, a team from Orange County came up with the great idea of lifting their caps off their chests every time there was a "down beat" in the Anthem. It lasted maybe two games before a fellow umpire named Sarge (Im sure we can all figure out why) got mad about it, confronted the HC at the plate meeting, and subsequently ejected the HC when he tried to defend his players actions.

We recieved an email shortly after notifying us that we should follow suit if the team did it again.

[gnhbua93]

It actually started last year in the NCAA. I guess it was bigger in the East. In the PGCBL (a summer college league) it was pretty common. It never got to anyone being ejected. It was usually one pitcher from each side would stand near the bullpen and salute the flag. I do not work NCAA but the guys I worked with in the summer league said NCAA came up with an interpretation midyear to eject the coach and the player who was part of the standoff if they did not stand down after being told to. I do not know the reasoning behind competing in the standoff. It will be interesting to see if it makes its way into high school ball.

You work or don't work NCAA

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

 

First, a kid I used to coach played at Coastal and is in that video. No idea what they are thinking.

Second, I'm number 6 I guess on knowing how to stand and hold hat.

Third, to answer the question on proper way to render courtesy for non-military; you stand facing the flag with left hand hanging straight at your side, right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart, no talking, laughing, chewing gum or tobacco nor spitting or looking around while music is playing. Eyes on the flag, body erect in a stance symbolizing respect no slouching etc.

Does that answer the question?

I kicked two of my legion players off the team in the state tourney the last season I coached for goofing and talking during the anthem. ( They'd been warned earlier.)

Yes, I take it serious.

IF this standoff crap occurs in one of my games I WILL get some ejections. I will warn at plate meetings from now on to try and nip it before it occurs.

Major Dave is a REAL American!

 

If this were to happen in any of my games I will send you the newspaper clipping on it.

Ditto here and count me as #7 by the way.

Oh, I got one for you guys...

Back when I was working college in Los Angeles, a team from Orange County came up with the great idea of lifting their caps off their chests every time there was a "down beat" in the Anthem. It lasted maybe two games before a fellow umpire named Sarge (Im sure we can all figure out why) got mad about it, confronted the HC at the plate meeting, and subsequently ejected the HC when he tried to defend his players actions.

We recieved an email shortly after notifying us that we should follow suit if the team did it again.

 

While i understand why the umpire did that... that was none of his frickin business.... guys like this is why we have a bad name like "redass".... umpire the game not how players stand for the anthem.. holy cow, he even EJ the coach too... way too far.

[krwill96]

gnhbua93,

I do not work NCAA due to my teaching schedule but worked the summer league past year. The guys I worked with told me about the standoff rule and event so I did a little searching about it.

[Replacematt]

 

 

 

First, a kid I used to coach played at Coastal and is in that video. No idea what they are thinking.

Second, I'm number 6 I guess on knowing how to stand and hold hat.

Third, to answer the question on proper way to render courtesy for non-military; you stand facing the flag with left hand hanging straight at your side, right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart, no talking, laughing, chewing gum or tobacco nor spitting or looking around while music is playing. Eyes on the flag, body erect in a stance symbolizing respect no slouching etc.

Does that answer the question?

I kicked two of my legion players off the team in the state tourney the last season I coached for goofing and talking during the anthem. ( They'd been warned earlier.)

Yes, I take it serious.

IF this standoff crap occurs in one of my games I WILL get some ejections. I will warn at plate meetings from now on to try and nip it before it occurs.

Major Dave is a REAL American!

 

If this were to happen in any of my games I will send you the newspaper clipping on it.

Ditto here and count me as #7 by the way.

Oh, I got one for you guys...

Back when I was working college in Los Angeles, a team from Orange County came up with the great idea of lifting their caps off their chests every time there was a "down beat" in the Anthem. It lasted maybe two games before a fellow umpire named Sarge (Im sure we can all figure out why) got mad about it, confronted the HC at the plate meeting, and subsequently ejected the HC when he tried to defend his players actions.

We recieved an email shortly after notifying us that we should follow suit if the team did it again.

 

While i understand why the umpire did that... that was none of his frickin business.... guys like this is why we have a bad name like "redass".... umpire the game not how players stand for the anthem.. holy cow, he even EJ the coach too... way too far.

 

 

I agree...and this is me speaking as SFC.

[umpstu]

@umpstu. I see. @krwill96 was kind enough to explain where and when it started. Oh, BTW the MLB incident was the NLCS, not the World Series. 

And it was pretty funny. Haven't seen it happen in any of my games so far this year. 

 

 

 

First, a kid I used to coach played at Coastal and is in that video. No idea what they are thinking.

Second, I'm number 6 I guess on knowing how to stand and hold hat.

Third, to answer the question on proper way to render courtesy for non-military; you stand facing the flag with left hand hanging straight at your side, right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart, no talking, laughing, chewing gum or tobacco nor spitting or looking around while music is playing. Eyes on the flag, body erect in a stance symbolizing respect no slouching etc.

Does that answer the question?

I kicked two of my legion players off the team in the state tourney the last season I coached for goofing and talking during the anthem. ( They'd been warned earlier.)

Yes, I take it serious.

IF this standoff crap occurs in one of my games I WILL get some ejections. I will warn at plate meetings from now on to try and nip it before it occurs.

Major Dave is a REAL American!

 

If this were to happen in any of my games I will send you the newspaper clipping on it.

Ditto here and count me as #7 by the way.

Oh, I got one for you guys...

Back when I was working college in Los Angeles, a team from Orange County came up with the great idea of lifting their caps off their chests every time there was a "down beat" in the Anthem. It lasted maybe two games before a fellow umpire named Sarge (Im sure we can all figure out why) got mad about it, confronted the HC at the plate meeting, and subsequently ejected the HC when he tried to defend his players actions.

We recieved an email shortly after notifying us that we should follow suit if the team did it again.

 

I know Sarge. I too had an issue with the way Santa Anna conducted themselves during the playing of the National Anthem, but I also remembered why I spent 20 years in the Navy defending their right to act the way they did. Worked quite a few games with Sarge and was privileged to see and talk with him a while last Memorial day. Man, he was skinny.

[Dash Riprock]

 

...right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart...

The right hand goes over the heart, not the hat.

[Haid D' Salaami]

 

@umpstu. I see. @krwill96 was kind enough to explain where and when it started. Oh, BTW the MLB incident was the NLCS, not the World Series. 

And it was pretty funny. Haven't seen it happen in any of my games so far this year. 

 

 

 

First, a kid I used to coach played at Coastal and is in that video. No idea what they are thinking.

Second, I'm number 6 I guess on knowing how to stand and hold hat.

Third, to answer the question on proper way to render courtesy for non-military; you stand facing the flag with left hand hanging straight at your side, right hand holds the bill of the cap and crosses chest with the part where your head goes over the heart, no talking, laughing, chewing gum or tobacco nor spitting or looking around while music is playing. Eyes on the flag, body erect in a stance symbolizing respect no slouching etc.

Does that answer the question?

I kicked two of my legion players off the team in the state tourney the last season I coached for goofing and talking during the anthem. ( They'd been warned earlier.)

Yes, I take it serious.

IF this standoff crap occurs in one of my games I WILL get some ejections. I will warn at plate meetings from now on to try and nip it before it occurs.

Major Dave is a REAL American!

 

If this were to happen in any of my games I will send you the newspaper clipping on it.

Ditto here and count me as #7 by the way.

Oh, I got one for you guys...

Back when I was working college in Los Angeles, a team from Orange County came up with the great idea of lifting their caps off their chests every time there was a "down beat" in the Anthem. It lasted maybe two games before a fellow umpire named Sarge (Im sure we can all figure out why) got mad about it, confronted the HC at the plate meeting, and subsequently ejected the HC when he tried to defend his players actions.

We recieved an email shortly after notifying us that we should follow suit if the team did it again.

 

I know Sarge. I too had an issue with the way Santa Anna conducted themselves during the playing of the National Anthem, but I also remembered why I spent 20 years in the Navy defending their right to act the way they did. Worked quite a few games with Sarge and was privileged to see and talk with him a while last Memorial day. Man, he was skinny.

 

well guess what i served this country as a US Army Infantryman for 9 yrs, and deployed twice... That umpire ( sarge) went way over board, there is a time and place to handle things... So does he talk to the teams when at the end of the Anthem some teams say " the Brave " and are pretty much moving away from the line before the song is over?

[BalkHawk]

The coach either has no control over his team or has instructed them to make a mockery of the game. I'm not dying to keep him in the game. I disagree with reacting to the monkey business. The game has its own way of handling these things.

Wearing my fan shoes now, I gotta say this is douche baggery at its most flaming. $h!t on the country where you grew up so privlaged that you take it all for granted and prove your gamesmanship by refusing to play the game.

[BT_Blue]

I just heard that this stand off BS has made it down to the JuCo/D3 level. Supposedly it happened here in OR/WA with two kids in opposite bullpens. It was quickly handled by the two base guys in a three man system.

[Thunderheads]

 

We were warned this may appear in high school games, and to tell the manager to get them in the dugout if they want the game to happen.

 

This instruction makes it sound as if you're threatening a forfeit. That's not how I would handle it, at least not directly.

 

I would instruct the coaches to move their players into the dugout per 3-3-1j, and subsequently eject the coach if he fails to comply.

 

Then we do the same with the next coach, if it comes to that, which I doubt. In Ohio, ejected coaches have to pay a fine, visit the poobahs in Columbus, and take an online ethics course (at their own expense).

 

Eventually, we might run out of coaches and forfeit per 4-4-1e.

 

So, ....maven ....THAT is what you're going to say to the coach?!  You're going to quote the book?

[Haid D' Salaami]

what you are to do, is warn the head coach, then Ej, then start ejecting the players starting with the guy closet to the head coach, and every 10 sec get another one, till they leave the field.

[maven]

So, ....maven ....THAT is what you're going to say to the coach?!  You're going to quote the book?

I did not quote the book. I referenced the book.

 

And, no, I would not mention the rule numbers to a coach: that's for your edification, not his.

[Thunderheads]

 

So, ....maven ....THAT is what you're going to say to the coach?!  You're going to quote the book?

I did not quote the book. I referenced the book.

 

And, no, I would not mention the rule numbers to a coach: that's for your edification, not his.

 

fine, ...so, tell me how you'd address the coach on the issue.  You corrected Matt, then referenced the book.  How would you address the coach?

[slo8140]

We had the same issue in Texas in the summer of 2012. I have not seen it since. The teams in the TCL (Texas Collegiate Leauge- D-I summer league) thought it was funny to see who could wait the longest.

 

The only time it was an issue was when they were standing on the foul lines. We never had to delay a game. Eventually they went to the dugouts. Nice that we finally got a directive on it. I thought it was a thing of the past. I guess it has resurfaced.

[goody14]

 

 

Eventually, we might run out of coaches and forfeit per 4-4-1e.

 

New here so please excuse if this is a dumb question - or just make fun of me.  Just try to make it funny and entertaining.

 

How does rule 4-4-1e (A game shall be forfeited when a team willfully and persistently violates any of the rules after being warned by the umpire) lead to a forfeit for running out of coaches?

 

I can see you forfeiting the game under this clause if they just refuse to leave the field, but not for having no coaches.  I have read the book looking for the rule stating forfeit with no coaches left and cannot find it.  I just assumed this as a state adopted thing.  Thanks

[Dash Riprock]

You can only run out of coaches in high school, and I think that is a school district rule (a qualified adult must be supervising the team) rather than a playing rule.  In NCAA (and OBR) a player can be designated head coach.

[tjwoelfel13]

Six.

[noumpere]

Had a couple of players on each team try the standoff at a D-1 mid week game this week.  We shut it down, and then mentioned it to the coaches who each reamed out the kids.

 

I expect that they are still running poles.

[Stretch]

They tried this stunt this past Saturday.  We nearly got 5 from each team and the head coaches.  One side didn't even hide it was about to happen because you could hear "stand-off   stand-off" from one of the benches. 

[KLAH316]

They tried this stunt this past Saturday.  We nearly got 5 from each team and the head coaches.  One side didn't even hide it was about to happen because you could hear "stand-off   stand-off" from one of the benches. 

Time to update your signature......

2014 Ejections: 12 (One game)

[Stretch]

No update required.  The players left the line when we warned them.  I guess they didn't want to explain to their head coach why he(the head coach) was ejected or didn't want to be the cause of the head coach being ejected.

[FlaUmp22]

 

They tried this stunt this past Saturday.  We nearly got 5 from each team and the head coaches.  One side didn't even hide it was about to happen because you could hear "stand-off   stand-off" from one of the benches. 

Time to update your signature......

2014 Ejections: 12 (One game)

 

 

speaking of ejection counts... @KLAH316 weren't you on pace to have like 70 ejections by now? What happened     

[KLAH316]

It was just one crazy week!

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[Majordave]

I had my first standoff attempt last Friday.  I looked left and right and there were several of each team's players, say 7-10 each team still standing looking at flag.  I loudly stated, get in your dugouts, only and final warning.  They dispersed.  I definitely would have EJ'd everyone who continued to stand and  the head coach(es) if they had not started moving immediately.  Great way to start a conference weekend.