Stumped

[Jimurray]

You have obstruction which entitles him 1st base. He obtained 1st base on his own, therefore, obstruction is ignored and the play goes on. Since the ball went into dead ball territory, he is given 2nd base.

Question- If he had thrown it 3 feet over 1st basemen's head and no obstruction occured, you would still give him 2nd base, right? Same here. The only way obstruction needs to be called is if the 1st baseman obstructed the runner and he was out.

On this play, you could have interference if the batter-runner is out of the running lane or obstruction if he is in the running lane. Thats why plate man needs to be at the 45 ft line up 1st base line.

The BRD has an interp from Hopkins stating that the throw should be coming from an area behind the runner. This coincides with OBR and NCAA. If you are at the 45' line you are only looking for pulled foot or swipe tag or some other anomaly. Obviously if you are that far up the throw is not coming from behind the runner.

Depends on where the throw is coming from. A throw from the shortstop won't make the running lane relevant.

The throw does not matter if he contacts him in fair territory preventing him from making the catch if it pulls 1st baseman to home plate side of 1st base. It does not matter where throw is coming from if he contacts 1st baseman outside of the running lane. Now granted, his last stride will be in fair territory, but his step before that must be in runners lane as the rule only applies if his last step was from runners lane.

Rule 8-4g.The batter- runner is out when he runs outside the three-foot running lane (last half of the distance from home plate to first base), while the ball is being fielded or thrown to first base;

I stuck my comment in the wrong spot above and can't move it with my IPAD.

[BillKen]

No quality throw = No RLV  

 

OBS is the call and 2nd is the award for the ball out of play.

[slo8140]

No quality throw = No RLV  

 

OBS is the call and 2nd is the award for the ball out of play.

I agree.

[JaxRolo]

No quality throw = No RLV

OBS is the call and 2nd is the award for the ball out of play.

Quality of throw in fed?

[BravoUmp]

Quality of throw only matters in NCAA. In Feds it simply states "a throw must be made". Quality does not matter in Feds.

[elares]

I've got two players doing what they are supposed to be doing...That's Nothing.

Batter/Runner to 2B on the first throw by an infielder going into DBT.

[Thunderheads]

answer is (A)

 

also ..... the description of the play isn't clear on whether F3 caught the ball first, then the collision caused the ball to go out of play .........

[BT_Blue]

answer is (A)

 

also ..... the description of the play isn't clear on whether F3 caught the ball first, then the collision caused the ball to go out of play .........

that was something I was wondering too. If he did in fact catch then ball we no longer have OBS. Instead we now have a "train wreck" or perhaps more. And we just award 2nd on the ball going out of play. (Which is the same award as above anyways.)

[Kevin_K]

Perhaps I am being obtuse. Why are there any references to to running lane violation?

 

The OP indicates ground ball to the infield, which I presume to be either P, 2B, 3B, or SS. 1B was pulled into the runner's lane. If the area is referred to as the runner's lane, how could one even consider RLV even if it was a quality throw?

 

I would love to hear the explanation to the HC. "You see coach, their player was pulled off the bag into the runner's lane and your player had no right to be in the place where he was supposed to be. Therefore, he is out and your runners must return to their original bases."

 

I'm going to guess that protest would likely be upheld.

[Jimurray]

Quote not working but some here thought it would be a RLV even the throw was from the infield due to strict interp of 8-4-g. I posted (in the wrong place) a BRD cite from Hopkins that says the throw should be coming from behind the runner. I don't know if I convinced those who believe otherwise.

[zm1283]

Perhaps I am being obtuse. Why are there any references to to running lane violation?

 

The OP indicates ground ball to the infield, which I presume to be either P, 2B, 3B, or SS. 1B was pulled into the runner's lane. If the area is referred to as the runner's lane, how could one even consider RLV even if it was a quality throw?

 

I would love to hear the explanation to the HC. "You see coach, their player was pulled off the bag into the runner's lane and your player had no right to be in the place where he was supposed to be. Therefore, he is out and your runners must return to their original bases."

 

I'm going to guess that protest would likely be upheld.

 

Because one person brought it up, even though it is irrelevant on this play.

[Joe D]

It seems to me an obstruction, where the BR had not attained 1st, the ball stays in play and within the immediate vicinity of a fielder, would be ignored because the BR will attain the base he would have otherwise been awarded.  Once he attains 1st the BR would be advancing at his own risk.  If obstruction is called and 2nd will not be awarded this could confuse the BR, leaving him at a disadvantage. If it is goes out of play, again he will attain the base he would have attained had the obstruction not occurred by being awarded 2nd.

[VolUmp]

Time!!!

"You! (R1) Advance to 2B."

 

OC:     "Blue, I thought I saw you call OBS."

Ump:   "I did, coach ... it's irrelevant now. He was safe at first.  He has his award."

OC:     "So you're only giving him one base on the overthrow?  That should be two."

Ump:   "Coach, he received 2 bases from the time of pitch.  You don't teach Math here do you?"

[Thunderheads]

Time!!!

"You! (R1) Advance to 2B."

 

OC:     "Blue, I thought I saw you call OBS."

Ump:   "I did, coach ... it's irrelevant now. He was safe at first.  He has his award."

OC:     "So you're only giving him one base on the overthrow?  That should be two."

Ump:   "Coach, he received 2 bases from the time of pitch.  You don't teach Math here do you?"

..........and that's when the trouble started ..................

[Umpgreg]

If runner has not reached 1B, it is obstruction, the ball would be dead at that point since a play was being made on BR. The ball going OOP is irrelevant. BR remains at 1B.

[VolUmp]

If runner has not reached 1B, it is obstruction, the ball would be dead at that point since a play was being made on BR. The ball going OOP is irrelevant. BR remains at 1B.

 

NOPE ... this is a FED thread.

Delayed Dead Ball.  Runner gets 2nd base.

You didn't read RichVee's response on the first page.

[JaxRolo]

I got this one correct on the test. Answer is B runner gets 2nd on OBS

[noumpere]

If runner has not reached 1B, it is obstruction, the ball would be dead at that point since a play was being made on BR. The ball going OOP is irrelevant. BR remains at 1B.

Under any code, if the ball has already been thrown and then theres OBS and the thrown ball goes OOP, the runner will get two bases, even if the OBS "award" would only be one base.

[maven]

 

If runner has not reached 1B, it is obstruction, the ball would be dead at that point since a play was being made on BR. The ball going OOP is irrelevant. BR remains at 1B.

Under any code, if the ball has already been thrown and then theres OBS and the thrown ball goes OOP, the runner will get two bases, even if the OBS "award" would only be one base.

 

 

Wait, doesn't he get 3 bases: 2 for the ball OOP and 1 for the OBS?

 

I keed! I keed!

[Cav]

With OBR obstruction, I was taught long ago in another life, that the crew should take into account "post-obstruction evidence" (old JR reference) before making any award.  Obstruction prior to acquiring an advance base on a throw that caroms off the wall back to a fielder in the vicinity of the obstruction would not influence any award.  But, if the throw entered DBT or otherwise was not anywhere near and an unobstructed runner would likely advance further, then that "post-obstruction evidence" would influence an award.

 

I'm not sure that still applies in OBR, but I've used it during NFHS games without complain over the years.

 

 

 

  

[noumpere]

It still applies in all codes.  Or, to be more clear, I still use it in all codes.

[Guidry]

I give the runner 1st on the OBS and 2nd for the ball going into dead ball territory. If I get an argument from the coach about no obstruction because 1B was trying to catch the ball and not block the path, I simply tell him the runner was not out (1B dropped ball) and ball into dead ball territory gives him 2nd.

[catsbackr]

Then you're not calling the play as it occurred.  The obstruction was first, then the throw into DBT.

 

I would wager you're not going to call anything when the obstruction occurs.  I betcha.