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noumpere
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You are right on Type A, but this wasn't Type A.  The ball was in center field so there was no play being made.  Interestingly since the runner just jogged to third if he had been tagged he likely wou

Haid D' Salaami
Haid D' Salaami

That is one bad ass crew chief right there... He is coming out adn taking care of a young umpire.. this is how you chief.

zm1283
zm1283

This was Type B and U2 never killed the play from what the video shows.  

scrounge

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That's pretty much textbook, not worthy of all that arguing....interesting the pre-emptive corral by West on Dusty, looked like he was determined to keep Dusty in the game, even if he didn't want to be!

afaber12

afaber12

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Not that you can tell for sure given the cuts between angles, but maybe part of Joe West trying to cut Dusty Baker off at the pass was because the ball was still in play. The ball wasn't killed on the obstruction, meaning there was an opportunity for a play on the runner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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Not that you can tell for sure given the cuts between angles, but maybe part of Joe West trying to cut Dusty Baker off at the pass was because the ball was still in play. The ball wasn't killed on the obstruction, meaning there was an opportunity for a play on the runner. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

No.  Once the obstructed runner is awarded the base, the ball is dead.  West saw F5 and F4 (I think) tag-teaming the umpire and West saw Baker come running out.  He just prevented the 3 on 1

afaber12

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But he wasn't awarded the base. There was no play on the runner at the time of the obstruction, and U2 didn't call time - at least not shown in that clip. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

UmpJeff

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't Type A obstruction (play on a runner) immediate dead ball subsequent base award?

noumpere

noumpere

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't Type A obstruction (play on a runner) immediate dead ball subsequent base award?

You are right on Type A, but this wasn't Type A.  The ball was in center field so there was no play being made.  Interestingly since the runner just jogged to third if he had been tagged he likely would have been out.

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Larry in TN

Larry in TN

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't Type A obstruction (play on a runner) immediate dead ball subsequent base award?

You are right on Type A, but this wasn't Type A.  The ball was in center field so there was no play being made.  Interestingly since the runner just jogged to third if he had been tagged he likely would have been out.

 

 

The ball must have been dead.

 

In Type A it is dead immediately (though this wasn't Type A).

 

In Type B it is a delayed dead ball and the base isn't awarded until play stops and time is called.  Since the base was awarded, the ball must have been dead.

Atbroberts

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but, isn't Type A obstruction (play on a runner) immediate dead ball subsequent base award?

That's correct but it wasn't type A. The ball is in the outfield when the obstruction happen....R2 decides to go to third while the defense complains...not knowing he was still in jeopardy.

noumpere

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 Since the base was awarded,

 

Where do you see this?  I see U2 point at the OBS, but he never signals time or points to third for an award (at least in the video that is shown here).

Lindsay

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Predicament on OBS B here - Reds could have had a play on R2 had they not decided to stop playing, but R2, had he known there was no base award, may have stayed at 2B.

JimSmith25

JimSmith25

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Why do we even have umpires for these kind of rules anyway. The people that actually know them say they're terrible! :smachhead:  :hopmad:  :shrug:

Larry in TN

Larry in TN

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 Since the base was awarded,

 

Where do you see this?  I see U2 point at the OBS, but he never signals time or points to third for an award (at least in the video that is shown here).

 

 

I guess I don't.

grayhawk

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Anyone else have Type A here? I thought this was discussed on another post as the most missed obstruction call there is.

 

To have type A, you generally need (1) runner, (2) fielder, (3) ball.  If the ball isn't there, it should be on the way.  The ball was rolling into center field when the obstruction occurred.  

mstaylor

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He did just point at it, they quit playing. I imagine that's why Joe cut him off, telling him that the call was right and his fielders are idiots. 

CentralOhioUmp30

CentralOhioUmp30

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He did just point at it, they quit playing. I imagine that's why Joe cut him off, telling him that the call was right and his fielders are idiots.

Hey, hey, hey, hey! No need to criticize the best second baseman in the NL. However, criticize Izturis all you want. Haha.

Bias aside, it was the correct call.

Jocko

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Since the base was awarded,

Where do you see this?  I see U2 point at the OBS, but he never signals time or points to third for an award (at least in the video that is shown here).

 Rule 7.06(b). 

7.06 When obstruction occurs, the umpire shall call or signal "Obstruction." --

(b) If no play is being made on the obstructed runner, the play shall proceed until no further action is possible. The umpire shall then call Time and impose such penalties, if any, as in his judgment will nullify the act of obstruction.

 The rule doesn't leave the umpire the option of imposing such penalties while the ball is live.  Even if we didn't see "time" being called, by rule, the penalty is applied with the ball dead.  The runner can not be put-out while advancing to the base that he was awarded because, by definition, the ball is dead. In this case the obstructed runner was the only base-runner so the umpire apparently decided that "no further action was possible" and that the "time" mechanic was unnecessary.  (Kinda like how they don't signal time when replacing a ball that was pitched into the dirt when there aren't any base-runners)  It was quite clear what the umpire wanted the base-runner to do.I categorically disagree. The ball isn't dead "by rule." By rule, the umpire shall call time. If he doesn't or hasn't yet, the ball is still live. Rules can't kill it. Rules tell US to kill it.
Jocko

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Did the umpire point the runner to the next base? No. How is a base awarded? Verbal and mechanic, right? Without those, there is no base award. And there's ALWAYS the possibility of further action UNTIL ACTION HAS CEASED.Baserunners can advance by rule beyond the base to which they would be awarded. This one did. And since he was in jeopardy, there was further possible action. The ball was LIVE and the jackwagon was IN JEOPARDY.

There is no basis for your interpretstion. In short, you are mistaken.

UmpJeff

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Anyone else have Type A here? I thought this was discussed on another post as the most missed obstruction call there is.

That's what I thought it was.

johnnyg08

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That is one bad ass crew chief right there... He is coming out adn taking care of a young umpire.. this is how you chief.

Couldn't West have allowed his umpire to articulate his own explanation?

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