F1 Tosses Glove, F3 Catches Only Ball

[bam]

This hasn't been posted yet so I offer this Fed case play. Please note the emphasis in the ruling that I've added.

 

 

5.1.1 SITUATION R:

On a sharply hit ground ball that is snagged by F1, the player's initial attempts to withdraw the ball from the glove and throw the ball to F3 are not successful. In an attempt to retire the batter-runner, F1 tosses his glove with the lodged ball to F3.

RULING: U1 will declare the ball dead and award the batter-runner second base. When F1 tossed his fielding glove to F3 to put out the batter-runner, it became apparent that the ball was lodged and the ball becomes dead and the award is made.

 

 

Ergo, under Fed I'd have this as a lodged ball.

 

 

Wasn't that effin' easy?  

 

JM - I'd say you're whistling past the graveyard on this - the rule clearly sates "When F1 tossed his fielding glove.. the ball was lodged and...the award is made.  

[mstaylor]

It's about making sure all the viewers get the right response.

 

Maybe it's because I coach (teach) and many of you just umpire (judge) but I see a responsibility to teach things here that others apparently do not see.

 

Or we could just resurrect McGriffs and see who can toss the biggest brickbat.

Actually I spend as much time teaching as umpiring. I see no problem with making smart aleck remarks but it is important to make that known, even if it is several posts later. 

[mstaylor]

Welpe,

 

Except in the play in the video, when F1 tossed his glove, the ball came OUT - and it was apparent that it was NOT "lodged".

 

Right?

 

JM

Not right. When he took his glove off, he took it off because it was lodged. When he threw it, it came out, in Fed tough stuff, ball is already dead. In NCAA and OBR the ball could have stayed lodged and still been legal. If the ball comes out and the F3 catches it, fine but not required. 

This is an example of the Fed's LCD rule making. To make it twice as bad, instead of just saying it is auto dead on the lodged ball, they made it two bases. 

[MPLSMatt]

This is one of the FED rules that I absolutely dread that I will someday have to enforce (thankfully I haven't had to yet).  Everyone in the park with think I'm wrong and get all worked up because they saw some pitcher make this kind of a play on Sport Center. 

[mstaylor]

I have been criticized many times for this, but I explain it and then invite them to protest if they still disagree. I actually talk a coach into it last year. He did but never submitted his report.  I really don't care if they think I'm wrong when I know I am right. They disagree on judgement calls all the time, why would an obscure rule be any different. It is a prime example of the 80/20 rule. They play with 20% of the rules, we get paid to know the other 80%. 

[yawetag]

I think two bases is harsh, especially on a come-backer (which is usually the case). If it were a one-base award, I would understand better and probably not have enemies on and off the field after making the call.

[mstaylor]

I think two bases is harsh, especially on a come-backer (which is usually the case). If it were a one-base award, I would understand better and probably not have enemies on and off the field after making the call.

Andrew, I don't disagree but we didn't write it, Indianapolis did. Whenever I enforce a strange Fed rule that the coach says is crazy or stupid I tell them to send a letter to Indianapolis, the rules are written by coach complaints. Then I walk away.  

[yawetag]

Oh, I understand who makes the rules. Sometimes, however, I don't understand what they were thinking when making a specific rule.

[johnnyg08]

It keeps a batted lodged ball consistent.

[mstaylor]

It keeps a batted lodged ball consistent.

As per the LCD notation.