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JaxRolo

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Kinda looks like you are looking down at your crotch! :nod:

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catoblue

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Wow - impressive! I's gotta be awesome to have a son working at the pro level. You must be a proud Pop! Congrats Jim!!! How many games has he been called up for so far?

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Okay what about the shirt don't you like?

no, the pic looked great... I just remember watching an episode of Cheers a while back when Cliff was squaring up to brawl with Norm and for some reason your pic brought it to mind. meant no offence by it. 1

yawetag

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It's nice to see someone that knows the proper flag to wear on the right sleeve. Our state allows it, but I don't want to deal with the "why's it backwards?" questions I would get.

JaxRolo

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It's nice to see someone that knows the proper flag to wear on the right sleeve. Our state allows it, but I don't want to deal with the "why's it backwards?" questions I would get.

All you have to say is "Follow your Stars to War"

mazzamouth

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It's nice to see someone that knows the proper flag to wear on the right sleeve. Our state allows it, but I don't want to deal with the "why's it backwards?" questions I would get.

Our Football Assc that is was in wore the flag on the wrong sleeve.. I quickly told him it was wrong, and why the flag is suppose to be on there looking "backward" once i explained it, he was cool and made the switch..hell i even bought 14 flags..LOL

after serving 9 yrs in the Army, small things like this get to me.

Umpire in Chief

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I was taught that in proper flag ettiquette the star field is Always in the upper left wheather displayed horizontally or vertically. The only exception allowed was for Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines could wear one on their right shoulder because the flag never retreats.

But I do see the Americal Legion uniforms usually have the Legion patch on their left arm and the "For God and Country" patch on their right with the field in reverse. I figure if anybody knows proper flag ettiquette it's the American Legion.

I may ask on base next month as my son's Cub Scout troop will be involved in a flag raising ceremony.

BrianC14

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I was taught that in proper flag ettiquette the star field is Always in the upper left wheather displayed horizontally or vertically. The only exception allowed was for Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors and Marines could wear one on their right shoulder because the flag never retreats.

But I do see the Americal Legion uniforms usually have the Legion patch on their left arm and the "For God and Country" patch on their right with the field in reverse. I figure if anybody knows proper flag ettiquette it's the American Legion.

I may ask on base next month as my son's Cub Scout troop will be involved in a flag raising ceremony.

But that's a flag that's being displayed that way -which is the correct way to do it.

As far as the American Legion...well, I don't know, but I'd almost bet that they'd have it wrong, but simply tell you, "Well that's the way we've always done it." :(

When wearing a flag patch on a sleeve (and there is a stipulated difference between a flag and a flag patch - check US Code), the field of stars should always be leading the way. You are correct, though about the flag patch - - US Flag Code specifically states that a flag patch should never be worn on an athletic uniform. US Military are specifically excluded when it comes to being authorized in wearing a flag patch.

And guys, they DO make flag patches that are correctly set up for wearing on the right sleeve, with the field of stars in the upper right corner.

What galls me are associations that put a flag patch on the back of a jersey / jacket. :Spit_20Laugh:

Gentlemen, Old Glory follows no man. You follow it. Wear it on the sleeve, on the front, but please- NOT on the back. Get it? :rantoff:

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ehawkins1

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Cub Scouts wear it on their uniform, Girl Scouts wear it on their uniforms. It flies facing forward to anybody who is looking at it unless...you are wearing an Army uniform with it sewn on the right shoulder and you are in combat. Then it flies facing backward to anybody looking at it. Wanna know why? A lot of Army soldiers can't even tell you why but...it is because in battle when the troops carried the flag it always flew in the wind and when flying in the wind when being carried it flies "backward" so this symbolizes carrying the flag in battle!

zm1283

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But that's a flag that's being displayed that way -which is the correct way to do it.

As far as the American Legion...well, I don't know, but I'd almost bet that they'd have it wrong, but simply tell you, "Well that's the way we've always done it." :(

When wearing a flag patch on a sleeve (and there is a stipulated difference between a flag and a flag patch - check US Code), the field of stars should always be leading the way. You are correct, though about the flag patch - - US Flag Code specifically states that a flag patch should never be worn on an athletic uniform. US Military are specifically excluded when it comes to being authorized in wearing a flag patch.

And guys, they DO make flag patches that are correctly set up for wearing on the right sleeve, with the field of stars in the upper right corner.

What galls me are associations that put a flag patch on the back of a jersey / jacket. :Spit_20Laugh:

Gentlemen, Old Glory follows no man. You follow it. Wear it on the sleeve, on the front, but please- NOT on the back. Get it? :rantoff:

Need to tell that to MiLB then.

Jeff C.

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But that's a flag that's being displayed that way -which is the correct way to do it.

As far as the American Legion...well, I don't know, but I'd almost bet that they'd have it wrong, but simply tell you, "Well that's the way we've always done it." :(

When wearing a flag patch on a sleeve (and there is a stipulated difference between a flag and a flag patch - check US Code), the field of stars should always be leading the way. You are correct, though about the flag patch - - US Flag Code specifically states that a flag patch should never be worn on an athletic uniform. US Military are specifically excluded when it comes to being authorized in wearing a flag patch.

And guys, they DO make flag patches that are correctly set up for wearing on the right sleeve, with the field of stars in the upper right corner.

What galls me are associations that put a flag patch on the back of a jersey / jacket. :Spit_20Laugh:

Gentlemen, Old Glory follows no man. You follow it. Wear it on the sleeve, on the front, but please- NOT on the back. Get it? :rantoff:

Our assoc. said the back was ok and ignorant me put it there on my stuff. I was unedu-macated. I certainly mean no dis-respect to Old Glory or all of you veterans. Just following what I was told. Now I know better.

Big Red

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All you have to say is "Follow your Stars to War"

Cub Scouts wear it on their uniform, Girl Scouts wear it on their uniforms. It flies facing forward to anybody who is looking at it unless...you are wearing an Army uniform with it sewn on the right shoulder and you are in combat. Then it flies facing backward to anybody looking at it. Wanna know why? A lot of Army soldiers can't even tell you why but...it is because in battle when the troops carried the flag it always flew in the wind and when flying in the wind when being carried it flies "backward" so this symbolizes carrying the flag in battle!

Ding, ding, ding...winners!

Along those lines, I've helped host numerous tours of many different type of mobility aircraft, and as they have the flag as part of the tail flash on each side of the vertical stab, we ALWAYS get someone who asks us about it when they see the right side of the plane.

Here are a couple of photos for reference.

First is how it appears on the left side, which appears normal:

Then some of our finest 4-engined chariots of war, AKA C-130, from the right side:

And similar on AF One:

The basis for what jax and ehawkins stated is in Army Reg 670-1:

(2) The full-color U.S. flag cloth replica is worn so that the star field faces forward, or to the flag’s own right. When

worn in this manner, the flag is facing to the observer’s right, and gives the effect of the flag flying in the breeze as the

wearer moves forward. The appropriate replica for the right shoulder sleeve is identified as the reverse side flag.

And this is used as the guidance for any flag similarly displayed, whether on any uniform, aircraft, etc.

Simplest way to think about it is this: Assuming the flag is properly mounted, if you were walking w/ a flag or one was mounted to a pole and the wind was blowing, no matter which side you were looking at it, the stars would lead the way!

As far as the argument about what uniform it can be worn on, US Code states:

"no part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica should be worn on the left lapel near the heart."

And there is nothing in the US Code about which side to wear it on....usually left to whatever organization's direction.

FWIW...

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BrianC14

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Need to tell that to MiLB then.

SCROOM. It's galling, and honestly, they really should stop the practice, as it's not at all in line with US Flag Code. :clap:

Big Red

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B)

And knowing someone out there in umpire cyberspace is gonna go there and nit-pick, Cliff Clavin himself passed this along:

Technically, when it comes to sports orgs, particularly baseball/softball, the only orgs out there certified as a "patriotic organization" for purposes of wearing the flag on the uniform under Title 36, U.S.C, are US Olympic Committee and Little Leauge, Inc.

Subtitle II--Patriotic and National Organizations

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yawetag

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Simplest way to think about it is this: Assuming the flag is properly mounted, if you were walking w/ a flag or one was mounted to a pole and the wind was blowing, no matter which side you were looking at it, the stars would lead the way!

This is how I was taught, and how I wore it on my EMT jacket. Wearing that is where a majority of the questions from people came from.

"no part of the flag should ever be used as a costume or athletic uniform. However, a flag patch may be affixed to the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen, and members of patriotic organizations. The flag represents a living country and is itself considered a living thing. Therefore, the lapel flag pin being a replica should be worn on the left lapel near the heart."

The key word is used. Wearing it on your shirt as a patch isn't using it as your uniform, in my opinion. Having it sewn on to your uniform is showing pride in your country. To me, used is akin to having your uniform LOOK like the flag.

It's also fair to point out that the Flag Code isn't law. Violating the rules has no penalty. After 9/11, my wife and I wanted to start an organization that would notify companies and citizens when their flags were being flown inappropriately. The biggest problem we found was people that had placed those flags that attached to their car windows -- most of the time, they were so ragged and torn, it was a disgrace.

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